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Lakeside Golf Club in Burbank, California...
David Stamm:
--- Quote from: Michael Robin on March 10, 2007, 01:11:50 PM ---David, one other thing. There is a Honey Baked Ham store on Riverside Drive about 5 minutes from the course in Toluca Lake. In the hallway to the parking lot is an old rendering of the original routing of Behr's. It shows how the nines were flipped, and the old green on what I believe is now 12 used to be across the L.A. River on the Universal Studios property approximately where Steven Spielberg's office now sits. The 13th tee was also across the wash. The rest of the routing looks to be intact.
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Wow Michael! Is the drawing hanging in a window or something?
Michael Robin:
Nope, it's literally in this back hall that has other old pictures of early Toluca Lake. It's more of an artist's rendering, but it gives you the old routing. It also has another name for the course than Lakeside. Something like Golf Club of Hollywood, although I don't really remember.
TEPaul:
"Hamlet was having a bad week; but he raises some pretty fundamental questions - maybe something like (to borrow a bit from another of TE's posts):
"Does man want the golfing experience to test the fullest possible range of his skills and sporting instincts?"
Peter:
That's a good way to put it. That gets to the heart of it alright.
Personally, I think in a general sense, he, man, the golfer, does want the golfing experience to test the fullest range of his skills and sporting instincts at least in an ideal context, even if he may sense that has never really been provided to him.
On the other hand, the architect and even people like us trying to discuss this subject need to also discuss how to deal with his frailties and insecurties at the same time.
In the final analysis, Behr, at least when it came to how we should consider the "Hazard" in a penal sense in golf could really do no better than to offer us a "glass half empty/glass half full" argument. He tried to convince us that the very same scary looking bunker both we and he was looking at should not intimidate us or make us shrink back in self-doubt because we viewed it as penal and so capable of punishing us, but that it should inspire us to challenge it and go for the gusto of just weathering Hell by slipping by it on the way to the promised land.
But if you look a bit closer to Behr's argument that isn't all he offered when it came to the roll of the hazard or the roll of "penalty" in golf.
After all he did explain how to place the actual fact of a penal hazard so as to so much better give us all our own choices of how to challenge it or avoid it other than just always having to go down the primrose lane between it.
cary lichtenstein:
You will enjoy the course
BCrosby:
David/Michael -
Do either of you know of other maps of the original Behr course? Is there anything in the clubhouse?
That's a remarkable find. And at Honey Baked Hams no less.
Bob
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