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Pete Stankevich

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Latest Golf World-The Architecture Issue
« on: February 15, 2007, 04:20:50 PM »
I haven't seen any mention of it on the board, so I thought I'd post it.
The latest issue of Golf World (dated Feb. 16 with Phil on the cover) has the heading "The Architecture Issue."
It includes a story about Rees and Robert Trent Jones Jr. and their irreconcilable differences, an article about Crenshaw and Coore, and some info and entry rules for the Lido Competition.
I haven't read any of it yet, but considering my flight to West Palm Beach this morning and my entire trip were cancelled, at least I'll have some interesting reading tonight.
Here's hoping it's in your mailbox.

ed_getka

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Re:Latest Golf World-The Architecture Issue
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2007, 05:50:15 PM »
Pete,
  Let us know what you think about the articles and if there is anything worth reading in there. Thanks.
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Pete Stankevich

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Re:Latest Golf World-The Architecture Issue
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2007, 08:56:19 PM »
Ed:
The articles are well done, but just like Golf World itself, you're finished reading everything in what felt like 5 minutes.
The Rees and Bobby Jones article by Jim Moriarty was anything but a feel-good story, but it made for an interesting read.  I knew the brothers were at odds, but I don't think I was aware of how bad the situation was and the details of how it all developed.  
Ron Whitten's feature on C&C was more of a feel-good piece, but also very well done.  For the devoted C&C fans on GCA, there isn't a lot of new info, but there's some great dialogue from Crenshaw describing design features and what they were trying to do with certain holes.
Ron Whitten also did the short article on the Lido contest.  There was some history on the contest, but also plenty on what he's looking for this year as the judge.  
He says "Mundane golf holes need not apply.  I'm looking for the fanciful, the unorthodox, the ultra-imaginative."
Also, after describing some previous winners, he says "I am hoping for designs that push it even further, maybe something with five optional routes, or a hole with a classic MacKenzie skinny, diagonal green, or a design that relies on dramatic changes in elevation."
And, "Only one entry per person is allowed, so it is important you toss all your ideas into one phantasmagorical design.  I am hoping to see a few holes even the good doctor could not have envisioned."

Overall, the issue was very good and I'd recommend reading it.  But I felt like I just ate Chinese food.  It was delicious while I was having it, but it was over too fast and I was hungry for more immediately after.   ;D

Dan Kelly

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Re:Latest Golf World-The Architecture Issue
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2007, 09:05:30 PM »

He says "Mundane golf holes need not apply.  I'm looking for the fanciful, the unorthodox, the ultra-imaginative."

I'm thinking: tanks and barbed wire!
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Tom_Doak

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Re:Latest Golf World-The Architecture Issue
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2007, 09:58:23 PM »
That Lido prize thing is starting to bug me.

It seems that they nearly always reward designs which pander most obviously to the doctor's original 1914 drawing ... three or four different routes to the green, etc. ... except his was actually an original idea, whereas most of the entries I've seen are overwrought and impractical and a lot of the multiple routes are pointless.

I've been sorting through my internship applications over the past week and it's obvious that the Lido prize is rubbing off on some of the young people who apply to us.  I'm more impressed when somebody draws something that's interesting and practical, too.

The funny thing about the GOLF WORLD double is that Whitten admires Bill Coore so much and yet Bill would never draw the kind of silly design which Ron just described as his prize-winner.

To Dan Kelly:  The most imaginative design I've ever seen was drawn for me by one of my classmates at Cornell, Scot Koenig.  I can't remember all of the details but it culminated with an island green -- you had to swim across a moat to get to it, and once you did, there was a tiger chained to the flagstick!

Tim_Cronin

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Re:Latest Golf World-The Architecture Issue
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2007, 10:57:31 PM »
Pete, you're the lucky one who must live next to the printing plant. Here in far-off and snowy Chicago, the Feb. 9 issue just arrived today.
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cary lichtenstein

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Re:Latest Golf World-The Architecture Issue
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2007, 09:52:06 AM »
I was kinda dissappointed since I thought there would be much more since the cover said Architectural Issue.
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ed_getka

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Re:Latest Golf World-The Architecture Issue
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2007, 10:21:26 AM »
Pete,
   Thanks for the feedback. I'll have to stop by the bookstore to read it. I'm interested to read what Ben had to say.
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George Pazin

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Re:Latest Golf World-The Architecture Issue
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2007, 12:03:41 AM »
Kind of funny that Tom D echoes exactly what I've been thinking about all my entries in the various contests (of course, who'd believe I thought that before Tom posted it?).

From the sounds of it, I don't stand a chance at this year's contest, either, but I'm entering anyway, and I'll post my design for everyone to rip after the announcements in June.

As for the rest of the issue, the Jones article is kind of pathetic - as many times as I hear variations of it, I'll never understand the siblings not speaking thing, and I'm quite thankful that I won't. I loved Ben's comments in the C&C article, and after seeing Bill Coore speak last year, I can see why they've remained close.

All the writeups about last weekend's play took shots at Gans, so at least it wasn't just the gca'ers who were annoyed. That producer would be seeking employment elsewhere if I had a say. :)
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Sébastien Dhaussy

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Re:Latest Golf World-The Architecture Issue
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2007, 05:49:42 AM »
And now the links :

Lido contest :
http://www.golfdigest.com/newsandtour/lido/

Jones brothers article :
http://tinyurl.com/yu427s

Bill & Ben article :
http://tinyurl.com/yocdh5

« Last Edit: February 17, 2007, 05:51:50 AM by Sébastien Dhaussy »
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Tom_Doak

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Re:Latest Golf World-The Architecture Issue
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2007, 09:05:01 AM »
I just read the article on Ben and it is nice to see him give Toby Cobb some props.  Toby started with Bill and Dave Axland a few years back, but when they weren't busy he was a project manager for us at Stonewall's second 18 and at Sebonack.  He's the nicest guy in the business but he never built any sensational greens for us -- I guess we didn't let him, we already had a lot of hot shots around.

Jeff_Mingay

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Re:Latest Golf World-The Architecture Issue
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2007, 10:31:56 AM »
That little tidbit about Ron and Bill meeting at Waterwood National years ago is very interesting.
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Tom_Doak

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Re:Latest Golf World-The Architecture Issue
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2007, 03:22:58 PM »
Jeff:

That's where I met Bill, too, in the summer of 1981.

PThomas

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Re:Latest Golf World-The Architecture Issue
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2007, 05:22:02 PM »
199 played, only Augusta National left to play!

Eric_Terhorst

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Re:Latest Golf World-The Architecture Issue
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2007, 05:24:45 PM »
Good article on C&C.  

Crenshaw's statement describes my favorite part of WeKoPa Saguaro:
 
"But short 4s are just fascinating to me. Because everybody can play them. And to have a little mystery to them, that's even better."

Jeff_Mingay

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Re:Latest Golf World-The Architecture Issue
« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2007, 05:53:04 PM »
Tom:

As you probably know, Waterwood's where Rod Whitman met Bill too. Rod was a student at Sam Houston State during the mid- to late-1970s who worked under Bill on the construction/course maitenance crew.



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RT

Re:Latest Golf World-The Architecture Issue
« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2007, 04:05:47 AM »
Jeff,

I used to visit Waterwood Natl when I was an undergrad at Texas A&M to witness the changes Bill and Rod were doing there, after Bill had to quickly finish up the first intimation of the course in an emergency situation back in the mid-70s.

When they redid that par-3 7th at Waterwood, around 1980, I felt that there were great things to come for both of them.
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Matthew Hunt

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Re:Latest Golf World-The Architecture Issue
« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2007, 05:22:32 PM »
The UK edition is different it has:

# An Interview with McKidd
# An article about Doak and bandons 4th course.
# History of GCA in the Uk witch is very good an has a lot about Pat Ruddy.

And lots of other cool stuff but I left it at my Grannys.