Mark:
It was described as such. And I'm a big fan of quirky golf holes; but I didn't much like this one.
Adam:
I am very ready to debate the merits of the two holes; I just figured we've also covered that way too many times already and the issue at hand was what you call "peripheral." Please tell me you don't see the holes as Patrick Mucci though... and please also don't all into the all too easy trap he does: claiming all I care about are these peripherals. That is far from the case. In the end, the playing of the golf holes is what matters most. I just do continue to maintain that to say these "peripherals" don't matter AT ALL is illogical, folly, silly.
So as for the two holes...
In terms of challenge, well... are you really trying to say the new one is too easy? Kinda hard to decipher your riddles sometimes.... If so, I will say this: even from the 140 tees I sure as hell didn't find it easy. The ocean right most definitely comes into play... the green remains pretty tough... this is not an easy golf hole.
But I will say the old one was harder. That just doesn't equate to better in my world, and I didn't think it did in yours.
The old one could be played ONLY with a right to left shot which carried the exact perfect distance. Once you pulled that off, the green was VERY severely contoured, leaving a lot to pure serendipity if the speeds were up. It was a tough golf hole without a doubt. I just found it to be pretty one-dimensional, and that's not really my cup of tea. Given where you've chosen to make your golf home, it surprises the heck out of me you prefer this....
Because the new hole can be played many different ways, including with a run-up; an option not available at the old hole.
Hey, call the old one quirky, play up that, play up the sentiment that you just liked it because it was different or whatever. Go ahead and air your beefs against the management also; just don't expect the world to agree with you as it pertains to these specific golf holes.
Nope. As much as I"ll just take your word for it that PB management might be doing bad things these days (I really don't know one way or the other); I just can't agree with you re #5.
But we knew that already.