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SPDB

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Re:Bob Dylan
« Reply #25 on: April 30, 2005, 01:17:22 PM »
I always thought Bob was sailing close to the edge but he lost his audience with Blood On The Tracks.
I mean, really, Idiot Wind, when Herbert Warren had basically defined golf writing the way we know it.

Sorry for compounding the OT, but I couldn't let this one slide.

Andy - You can't be serious. Blood on the Tracks represented what may have been a creative zenith for Bob Dylan, and the raw, self-reflective (loathing?) power of the album reaches its pinnacle on "Idiot Wind." Dylan has often commented that this might have been his most "personal" composition.

"They say I shot a man named Gray,
and took his wife to Italy.
She inherited a million bucks,
and when she died it came to me.
I can't help it if I'm lucky"

ForkaB

Re:Bob Dylan
« Reply #26 on: May 01, 2005, 07:33:06 PM »
To confirm SPBD's judgement....Blood on the Tracks was Dylan's greatest album.  There were/are some better songs elsewhere, but the overall routing, song values, variety and seamlessness makes this the perennial #1--the Pine Valley of Dylanism.

wsmorrison

Re:Bob Dylan
« Reply #27 on: May 01, 2005, 07:46:41 PM »
Rich,

Here are the songs of my seven favorite Dylan albums:

Blood on the Tracks

Tangled Up in Blue | Simple Twist of Fate | You're a Big Girl Now | Idiot Wind | You're Gonna Make Me Lonesome When You Go | Meet Me in the Morning | Lily, Rosemary and the Jack of Hearts | If You See Her, Say Hello | Shelter from the Storm | Buckets of Rain


The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan

Blowin' in the Wind | Girl of the North Country | Masters of War | Down the Highway | Bob Dylan's Blues | A Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall | Don't Think Twice, It's All Right | Bob Dylan's Dream | Oxford Town | Talkin' World War III Blues | Corrina, Corrina | Honey, Just Allow Me One More Chance | I Shall Be Free


Blonde on Blonde

Rainy Day Women #12 & 35 | Pledging My Time | Visions of Johanna | One of Us Must Know (Sooner or Later) | I Want You | Stuck Inside of Mobile with the Memphis Blues Again | Leopard-Skin Pill-Box Hat | Just Like a Woman | Most Likely You Go Your Way and I'll Go Mine | Temporary Like Achilles | Absolutely Sweet Marie | 4th Time Around | Obviously Five Believers | Sad-Eyed Lady of the Lowlands


John Wesley Harding

John Wesley Harding | As I Went Out One Morning | I Dreamed I Saw St. Augustine | All Along the Watchtower | The Ballad of Frankie Lee and Judas Priest | Drifter's Escape | Dear Landlord | I Am a Lonesome Hobo | I Pity the Poor Immigrant | The Wicked Messenger | Down Along the Cove | I'll Be Your Baby Tonight


Nashville Skyline

Girl of the North Country | Nashville Skyline Rag | To Be Alone with You | I Threw It All Away | Peggy Day | Lay, Lady, Lay | One More Night | Tell Me That It Isn't True | Country Pie | Tonight I'll Be Staying Here With You


Desire

Hurricane | Isis | Mozambique | One More Cup of Coffee (Valley Below) | Oh, Sister | Joey | Romance in Durango | Black Diamond Bay | Sara

Hard Rain

Maggie's Farm | One Too Many Mornings | Stuck Inside of Mobile with the Memphis Blues Again | Oh, Sister | Lay, Lady, Lay | Shelter from the Storm | You're a Big Girl Now | I Threw It All Away | Idiot Wind


It's too hard to argue which Dylan album might be his best; there's so many right answers.  If I had to choose, I'd probably lean towards a list like:

The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan
Blood on the Tracks
John Wesley Harding
Blonde on Blonde
Desire
Nashville Skyline
Hard Rain

Though I give the nod for best songwriter to Tom Waits.  He's also my all-time favorite performer.  He is the greatest musician of my generation and nobody today comes close.  I have 70 TW songs on my IPod to 40 for BD.  

By the way, I also have all the Beatles songs from the 1/2 speed master recordings put out on virgin vinyl by Mobile Fidelity Sound about 20 years ago.  That is some set of recordings!
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Eric Pevoto

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Re:Bob Dylan
« Reply #28 on: May 01, 2005, 08:33:03 PM »
Dylan was one of my dad's favorites.  I thought he sucked until I was about 19, off at school, and got "turned on," so to speak.  It's amazing how my father's taste in music got so much better as I got older!

Dad was definitely into the pre-electric period.  He had all of the pre-'66 albums;  not a single one after.  

I've grown to love the self-titled, first album; Highway 61, Revisited;  Another Side of Bob Dylan; Freewheelin' Bob Dylan; and Bringing it All Back Home.  Don't think twice, it's Alright and Queen Jane Approximately are two on my all-time song list.

Wayne,

Swordfishtrombones stays in my ipod playlist.
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Craig Disher

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Re:Bob Dylan
« Reply #29 on: May 01, 2005, 08:50:14 PM »
Wayne,
Why would you include treacle like Nashville Skyline and not include Bringing it All Back Home and Highway 61 Revisited? ;) Those along with Blonde on Blonde might collectively be the finest 3 albums by any artist, ever! And to think they were produced consecutively.

Have you seen TW in the movie Coffee and Cigarettes? A riveting performance. Jim Jarmusch is an acquired taste but you should sit through it for TW.

Eric - doesn't Dylan's out-of-tune guitar take some of the enjoyment from Queen Jane? A few years ago I heard a digitally modified version of the song with Dylan's guitar put back in tune. It was a lot easier on the ear.



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wsmorrison

Re:Bob Dylan
« Reply #30 on: May 01, 2005, 09:36:44 PM »
How could I forget Highway 61 Revisited?  That's what I get for listening to Tom Waits while compiling my Dylan list.

Highway 61 Revisited

Like a Rolling Stone | Tombstone Blues | It Takes a Lot to Laugh, It Takes a Train to Cry | From a Buick 6 | Ballad of a Thin Man | Queen Jane Approximately | Highway 61 Revisited | Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues | Desolation Row

Bringing It All Back Home

Subterranean Homesick Blues | She Belongs to Me | Maggie's Farm | Love Minus Zero/No Limit | Outlaw Blues | On the Road Again | Bob Dylan's 115th Dream | Mr. Tambourine Man | Gates of Eden | It's Alright, Ma (I'm Only Bleeding) | It's All Over Now, Baby Blue

I think associated events make Nashville Skyline a favorite of mine.  I certainly put Highway 61 way before it, it is one of his very best.  But Craig, Bringing if All Back Home never really got to me much.

As for Tom Waits, I never saw Coffee and Cigarettes.  On your recommendation I will certainly check it out.  Eric likes Swordfish Trombones.  My favorite songs on that album are 16 Shells from a Thirty-Ought-Six, In The Neighborhood and Soldier's Things.  Some of his newest stuff is a little baffling to me.  Though the anti-war ballad Day After Tomorrow on Real Gone is stunning.

wsmorrison

Re:Bob Dylan
« Reply #31 on: May 01, 2005, 09:38:47 PM »
Craig,

I hope your dinner meeting was worth missing the fun down in Miami.  Did you get to influence the outcome or is it too early to tell?

Kyle Harris

Re:Bob Dylan
« Reply #32 on: May 01, 2005, 09:39:31 PM »
Jesus Wayne, there's a music lover in there, eh?

Good to see...

wsmorrison

Re:Bob Dylan
« Reply #33 on: May 02, 2005, 08:39:02 AM »
Kyle,

You're not the only Renaissance Man around here.  Except you have the badges to prove it, my Eagle Scout friend ;)

Craig Disher's knowledge of music surpasses my own by a long shot; he's got an outstanding collection of music.  It was like listening to Greek when Craig and Lloyd chat up music.  Craig's a rocker disguised as a mild-mannered researcher.  He's got a Clarke Kent-Superman thing goin' on.  

Robert_Walker

Re:Bob Dylan
« Reply #34 on: May 02, 2005, 09:49:12 AM »
I can't imagine that Dylan would not have played TOC having gone to the trouble of receiving an honorary degree at St Andrews.
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Robert_Walker

Re:Bob Dylan
« Reply #35 on: January 16, 2007, 02:51:10 PM »
Has anyone ever heard if Dylan played the Old Course when he received his Honorary Degree from St Andrews?

Craig Sweet

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Re:Bob Dylan
« Reply #36 on: January 16, 2007, 03:44:50 PM »
"I'm gonna grow my hair down to my feet so strange
So I look like a walking mountain range
And I'm gonna ride into Omaha on a horse
Out to the country club and the golf course.
Carry the New York Times, shoot a few holes, blow their minds."
LOCK HIM UP!!!

Ron Kern

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Re:Bob Dylan
« Reply #37 on: January 16, 2007, 04:16:04 PM »
This entire post in nearly OT...hope that is OK.

It was reported in today's news that Bob and his brother, I think, purchased an estate just up the road from Boat of Garten - what a cool little golf course.  So he'll be spending some time in the Highlands trout fishing and golfing I would suppose.

One of his best songs, IMHO, was written just a few short years ago - Mississippi.

Two of my biggest music thrills were 1) spending a couple of evenings hanging out with Dylan's band* at the Ritz in St. Louis a couple of years back while we were in town to see his three show run at The Pageant over my birthday and 2) getting to meet Bob after a show and actually getting his autograph.

I still miss Dylan's Charlie Sexton / Larry Campbell version of his band - that was quite a run of shows and a great album, Love and Theft, from that group.

Shameless plug follows -> If anybody is interested, they can check out my classic jazz internet radio station.  All cuts are taken from vintage vinyl LPs.  Here's the URL:

http://bopcity.blogspot.com

You can access the broadcast from the blog.  I also have have little vanity project station, The Sound Cellar, where I put on whatever songs I feel like.  The playlist changes every now and then.  You can find a link to The Sound Cellar on Bop City's blog.

Have fun.
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Steve Okula

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Re:Bob Dylan
« Reply #38 on: January 16, 2007, 04:23:23 PM »
I think Dylan must have played TOC, and the Road Hole, thus  it takes a lot to laugh but a train to cry.
The small wheel turns by the fire and rod,
the big wheel turns by the grace of God.

Tony_Muldoon

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Re:Bob Dylan
« Reply #39 on: January 16, 2007, 05:56:25 PM »
Don't know if you can access this in the US but it's certainly worth a try.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/

His royal Bobness has recorded a series of thematically linked Radio shows displaying his eclectic taste. He is one cool guy.  BBC 6 is broadcasting one each week and you can listen again to the previous Friday's show via that link.

Current theme Jail.  enjoy
Let's make GCA grate again!

Dan Kelly

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Re:Bob Dylan
« Reply #40 on: January 16, 2007, 06:07:19 PM »
Since we're sharing Dylan links (no pun intended), here's my favorite: http://www.ni9e.com/typo/typo_dylan.html
"There's no money in doing less." -- Joe Hancock, 11/25/2010
"Rankings are silly and subjective..." -- Tom Doak, 3/12/2016

Bill_McBride

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Re:Bob Dylan
« Reply #41 on: January 16, 2007, 07:03:34 PM »
Why would you include treacle like Nashville Skyline and not include Bringing it All Back Home and Highway 61 Revisited? ;) Those along with Blonde on Blonde might collectively be the finest 3 albums by any artist, ever! And to think they were produced consecutively.

And I thought I admired Craig Disher just for his love of the links courses!  We are definitely on the same Dylan wavelength, although I now include "Modern Times" up there in the highest level.  Amazing how neither his output or quality have been really diminished over time.

"The pump don't work cause the vandals took the handles!"

And "warehouse eyes" is still my favorite Dylan expression.  Apparently he wrote Sad Eyed Lady in several days in honor of his wife.  Or so it seems to say on the Desire album.

Dan Moore

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Re:Bob Dylan
« Reply #42 on: January 16, 2007, 07:51:33 PM »
Well my heart's in the Highlands gentle and fair
Honeysuckle blooming in the wildwood air
Bluebelles blazing, where the Aberdeen waters flow
Well my heart's in the Highland,
I'm gonna go there when I feel good enough to go

Well, my heart's in the Highlands at the break of day
Over the hills and far away
There's a way to get there, and I'll figure it out somehow
But I'm already there in my mind
And that's good enough for now

First and last verse of the song Highlands.  



"Is there any other game which produces in the human mind such enviable insanity."  Bernard Darwin

Robert_Walker


Rick Shefchik

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Re:Bob Dylan
« Reply #44 on: February 02, 2007, 03:57:04 PM »
I've been reading Dylan's "Chronicles" the last few nights, and just finished a very revealing passage about all the garbage he recorded between "John Wesley Harding" (hey, I like "Nashville Skyline," too, but it ain't peak Dylan) and "Blood on the Tracks."

He was sick of being called the "messiah" or "conscience of his generation," and genuinely fearful for what would happen to his family at the hands of the counter-culture nitwits who kept coming to his house.

He intentionally began recording anything that popped into his mind in an effort to turn his fans and the music press against him. He specifically cites "Self Portrait," which wasn't deemed bad enough by some idiot critics who still worshipped him, so he released "Dylan," which was the stuff not good enough for "Self Portrait."

"New Morning" was partly an attemtp to write some songs for an Archibald McLeish play that Dylan found utterly bleak and nihilistic.

"Planet Waves" was apparently based not on his own experiences, but Chekov short stories.

He said great songs -- "the kind that roar in your head" -- simply weren't coming to him during these years, and he was glad. Every time he wrote a great song, it made him that much more a god, and made it that much harder to lead the normal life he craved.

Regarding Bob Huntley's encounter with Dylan in the early '70s, I think it's entirely possible that Dylan was simply weird, but in the context of this book, it seems just as possible that it was part of his effort to put people off so they'd leave him alone.

I dont' know why he did "Blood on the Tracks" and went back on the road, but I suppose it was because his kids were older and his marriage was breaking up. The normal life he'd wanted to live wasn't going to be possible anymore.

I met him during this period. He visited his old hometown, Duluth,  with Joan Baez and some of the other Rolling Thunder tour members. I was introduced to him by a cousin, and he asked me about places in town where he could take his kids skating. He was cordial though a bit wary, and just wanted to talk about normal stuff.

I envy his talent -- his gift, actually -- but not his life.
"Golf is 20 percent mechanics and technique. The other 80 percent is philosophy, humor, tragedy, romance, melodrama, companionship, camaraderie, cussedness and conversation." - Grantland Rice

Lloyd_Cole

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Re:Bob Dylan
« Reply #45 on: February 02, 2007, 04:31:22 PM »
Never trust the author talking about his own work. Or at least take it with a pinch of salt.
There is indeed much dispute in certain NYC circlers as to whether the couple in Brooklyn, on who's couch Bob slept during a whole chapter of the book, actually ever existed.
New Morning is genius, intended or not. John W. Harding is dull, but then there's no success like failure...
Having said that, I loved the book - especially the way he moved from albums years apart instead of going strictly chronologically.
That would be probably why he called it 'Chronicles'.

michael j fay

Re:Bob Dylan
« Reply #46 on: February 02, 2007, 08:01:56 PM »
He tried to get a drink from the bubbler....but the vandals took the handle.....

Don't think twice, it's all right.

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