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Dan Moore

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Chicago Aerial: Calumet CC Tweedie/Langford??/Ross/Packard
« on: January 22, 2007, 11:30:59 AM »
Here's a new one.  My brother the photographer was in to shoot yesterday's Bears game and showed me some tricks to enhance the old aerials.  Hopefully they will look a little better from now on.

Here is a nice course progress has mistreated over the years.

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RJ_Daley

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Re:Chicago Aerial Jan 2007
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2007, 03:12:31 PM »
Wow, now there is an archie that really was serious about bunkering his greens, approaches and surrounds!   :o ;D

I love that little phonebooth bunker dead behind the hole going due north from bottom to top?  What a fun little surprise to have behind the green, particularly if the green ran away from front to back!  ;)
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Jeff_Brauer

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Re:Chicago Aerial Jan 2007
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2007, 03:24:00 PM »
OHMIGOD, I have a lower percentage of knowing these than Rex Grossmans passing completion rate.....

Sorry, but I had to put a Bears Super Bowl reference in there somehow.  Keep on posting, because this old Chicago guy loves it!
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PThomas

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Re:Chicago Aerial Jan 2007
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2007, 03:31:41 PM »
Quote from: Jeff_Brauer on January 22, 2007, 03:24:00 PM
OHMIGOD, I have a lower percentage of knowing these than Rex Grossmans passing completion rate.....

Sorry, but I had to put a Bears Super Bowl reference in there somehow.  Keep on posting, because this old Chicago guy loves it!

Rex did just fine yesterday, no turnovers, etc...... ;D

and the early line is Colts by 7?!?!  this Bears fine likes that number....
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RJ_Daley

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Re:Chicago Aerial Jan 2007
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2007, 04:25:15 PM »
Paul, that might be cause to "drop the satchel", "unbuckle the money belt" and "bet the kids college fund"  !!! :o ;D

Dan, I trust we will be treated to a recent google aerial as some point, to compare.  ;D

I have no guesses.  If Brauer doesn't know, what are my chances?  ::)
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Dan Moore

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Re:Chicago Aerial Jan 2007
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2007, 05:15:35 PM »
Dick,

I have a 1998-99 and a 2005 aerial to post at some point.  

The club is over 100 years old.  The original course was a Tweedie. they moved to a new location when this course opened in 1922.   According to a report in 1917, Langford was engaged to design the course.  However he did not  design this course.  
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Jeff Doerr

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Re:Chicago Aerial Jan 2007
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2007, 02:08:40 AM »
Thanks Dan!

It is a shame that the orginal was not preserved. The aerial really shows some unique features. The square green has been preserved, but the diagonal creek hole heading northwest looks to have been lost. It does not seem like construction should have changed the layout. Do you know what happened?

I'll be interested to follow this thread.
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RJ_Daley

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Re:Chicago Aerial Jan 2007
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2007, 02:32:51 PM »
Dan, I spent quite a bit of time trying to figure out which course that is... I thought maybe it was Exmoor r Midloathian, but really tricked out and redone...
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Dan Moore

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Re:Chicago Aerial Jan 2007
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2007, 02:57:22 PM »
Dick,  

Related to Exmoor only this one is on steriods.  Not related to Midlothian as far as I know.  

Jeff,

I-80 took some of the land to the north.  Only about 7 or so holes remain intact.  This aerial is from around 1998 (for some reason not very good quality).

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RJ_Daley

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Re:Chicago Aerial Jan 2007
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2007, 03:14:29 PM »
Dan, either I'm not following you, or something is a disconnect.  I found the club you posted.  It is Calumet CC.  C&W give no mention to Tweedie or Langford.  They do mention that Ed Lawrence Packard and Brent Wadsworth remodelled it.  Those bunkers that one can see on the google earth color aerial have Packard's fingerpirnts who was mentored by RB Harris, all over them stylistically!  Where did you get Tweedie and Langford referenc?.

I don't know how to post a google slide.  But, I think Jeff Brauer knows the big open faced bunker style well from his understudy in Chitown with K&N.  
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SL_Solow

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Re:Chicago Aerial Jan 2007
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2007, 03:49:22 PM »
Looks like Calumet to me as well.  Calumet was always billed as a Ross.
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Dan Moore

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Re:Chicago Aerial: Calumet CC Tweedie/Langford??/Ross/Packard
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2007, 04:17:12 PM »
Yes it is Calumet CC in Homewood, Illinois.  

Tweedie designed the the Club's first course which opened in 1901 at its original location which is now the site of Chicago State University.  In the mid-teens the Club needed to move and in 1917 bought 160 acres of new land along the Illinois Central RR line in Homewood.  

American Golfer published two articles in 1917 that said Langford was hired to design Calumet's new 27 hole course.    This was about the time Langford and Moreau first set up shop.  I have seen one published reference to 27 holes having been built originally and that Ross was hired and redesigned it into an 18 hole course.  I have seen other references to Ross designing an original 18 hole course.  Brad Klein's Discovering Donald Ross gives the date of the Ross design as 1917.  The club lists the date of the Ross course as 1922.  Let's not forget Langford was hired in 1939 to reconfigure Ross' Skokie CC when new land was obtained.  I don't know the back story but it would be interesting to find out.  

In any event it is clear the Ross course hosted the Western Open in 1924 won by Bill Melhorn and the Chicago Victory Open in 1945 which was won by Byron Nelson.  

Expansion of I-80/I-294 took some of the land to the north in the late-50's and the course was reconfigured under the guidance of Edward Lawrence Packard.
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Jeff Doerr

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Re:Chicago Aerial: Calumet CC Tweedie/Langford??/Ross/Packard
« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2007, 01:11:54 AM »
Thanks again Dan!

It was very fun for this Oregon boy to track that down!
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Peter Flory

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Re: Chicago Aerial: Calumet CC Tweedie/Langford??/Ross/Packard
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2022, 10:19:12 PM »
I'm posting this on a very old thread just for reference purposes.  Calumet CC is an NLE course walking right now and should be redeveloped next year.  It has been granted temporary reprieves over the last few seasons and its been open to the public, with fading maintenance. 

Here are the Ross plans, the 1939 aerial with some colorization and lines drawn to indicate the holes, and the modern aerial with the original hole lines still shown.  Note that on the 1939 aerial, I show red lines where I-80 was constructed in the 1930s. 

The construction of the Hwy disturbed 7 of the original holes.  Packard/ Wadsworth had to rearrange things to get it to work in the late 50s and the end result is that 9 of the original holes still basically exist, but with some slight alterations over time (tees moved slightly, bunkers tweaked, and in the case of a few holes, the green was changed/ expanded/ shifted.  As you can see from how much of the course was cut out with the Hwy, they had a challenging task. 

Ross plans- Tufts archives


1939 (future Hwy boundaries in red)


2020 w/ original hole lines

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SL_Solow

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Re: Chicago Aerial: Calumet CC Tweedie/Langford??/Ross/Packard
« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2022, 06:18:13 PM »
A brief clarification.  Calumet is being operated, albeit with minimal maintenance, while the owners negotiate a new use.  Homewood has refused all of their requests for new zoning.  The owners sought to join an adjoining municipality but were turned down.  Accordingly, it may be premature to state that it is NLE and will be redeveloped in the near term.  The buyer intended to make it a trucking/distribution center due to its proximity to I 80.  So far no dice.  The members have dispersed to other courses.
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Peter Flory

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Re: Chicago Aerial: Calumet CC Tweedie/Langford??/Ross/Packard
« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2022, 10:16:34 PM »
I have good memories of playing it over the years- as a guest when it was a country club, in CDGA qualifiers, and since it turned public.  It's strange thinking that it's the last year for it for several years in a row now.  I'm glad that they are operating it while they go about their business. 
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