St. Andrews, course no. 7

[Jeff_Mingay]

Personally, I'd stay away from the word: the.

[David Sneddon]

I'd like them to just keep the original name of the area - "Kinkell Braes".  

[Michael Whitaker]

The Millennium

you may as well call it Trump International if you're going to go for such a generic name as that

You mean something non-generic like "Jubilee?"

[Jeff_Mingay]

Michael W.,

From the Links Trust web site: "Originally a 12-holer for ladies and beginners, the Jubilee Course was opened on 22 June 1897, the date of official celebrations throughout Great Britain to mark the 60th anniversary of Queen Victoria’s accession to the throne."

The name "Jubilee" has significance.

[Matthew Hunt]

Something to do with Tom Morris or Bob Jones would be good.

[paul westland]

Tom Morris Links. Father and son.  Is it links golf?

[Jeff_Mingay]

Paul:

Kidd's no. 7 course ain't links.

[Michael Whitaker]

Michael W.,

From the Links Trust web site: "Originally a 12-holer for ladies and beginners, the Jubilee Course was opened on 22 June 1897, the date of official celebrations throughout Great Britain to mark the 60th anniversary of Queen Victoria’s accession to the throne."

The name "Jubilee" has significance.

Jeff - Exactly! That was my point to Ally Mcintosh. Jubilee was chosen to celebrate a significant once-in-a-lifetime date of historical significance. Millennium would be a similar choice.

[Ian Andrew]

"Paul:
Kidd's no. 7 course ain't links. "

Jeff, I assume you consider Kingsbarns not a links for the same reason.

[Robert Thompson]

Jeff and Ian: But the 7th will play like a links because of what Kidd did around the greens -- and I still think Kingsbarns is a links, regardless of what the naysayers say.

[Jeff_Mingay]

Kingsbarns ain't a genuine links either, no.

Am I wrong, Ian?

I hope no. 7 plays like a links. But it's not a links. Links ain't the course, it's the land upon which the course is laid out.

[Marty Bonnar]

"Paul:
Kidd's no. 7 course ain't links. "

Jeff, I assume you consider Kingsbarns not a links for the same reason.

Kingsbarns ain't a genuine links either, no.

Am I wrong, Ian?

I hope no. 7 plays like a links. But it's not a links. Links ain't the course, it's the land upon which the course is laid out.

This is a subject very dear to my heart. I guess I probably know Kingsbarns better than any other GCAer and have looked upon it with the eyes of a user, as an employee and as a designer of landscapes. I feel therefore best-qualified around here to discuss it's 'linksness'.

I have said before that KB is not a links "in the traditional sense". What it is, is the finest piece of faux-links DESIGN, with a capital D-E-S-I-G-N, this side of the pond/planet/border.

The ground it's built upon is/was NEVER of linksy, sandy, duney topography. It was flat, agricultural ground of the dullest variety. However, the DESIGNER did a stellar job in transforming the terrain - which, given the underlying geology - actually turned out to be Linksland-in-waiting.

As a Scottish golfing 'experience', it stands amongst the best. Don't miss it...

No. 7 is a clifftop golf course. Not links, but as close as it's geographically possible to be...

FBD.

[Jeff_Mingay]

Martin,

Your intimate knowledge of the situation makes me look smart!

Thanks  

[peter_p]

Half Moon and Sixpence. Seriously - Kinkell

[Michael Whitaker]

Want to see the before and after on Kingsbarns? Check out the "Transitions" on this link:

http://www.kylephillips.com/mini_kingsbarns.html

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