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David Stamm

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Pauma Valley photo's
« on: December 24, 2006, 02:52:19 PM »
Happy Holidays gentlemen! I played this course yesterday w/ my friend Jon Spaulding and I thought you all might like to see the photo's. Jon, as always played great, first time there and he shoots a 71 from the tips. Makes me want to quit! ;) Just kidding, Jon! It's always a pleasure to watch you play. Just don't hold my terrible in-the-middle-of-swing-changes mode I'm in against me. Anyway's this is one of RTJ sr.'s first courses and was built in 1961. In my personal research it seems RTJ claimed it was 1959, but I don't think it makes a big difference. As claimed by him, this course was instrumental in him getting other projects, as he referred new clients to this course. The course is used for USGA qualifying in the area. It's 7077 yards to a par of 71. The membership is very friendly and the place has wonderful ambiance. It just feels like pure golf. So enjoy the photo's gents, especially you Bob Huntley, since I know you were asking about this course the last time I played it, and I blew it in regards to taking photo's. Again, Happy Holidays gentleman!  :)





























































« Last Edit: December 25, 2006, 01:02:51 AM by David Stamm »
"The object of golf architecture is to give an intelligent purpose to the striking of a golf ball."- Max Behr

Jon Spaulding

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Re:Pauma Valley photo's
« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2006, 04:35:48 PM »
Not too much action here....maybe you should mention Carl's presumed house on #14 and how we didn't see him!

Merry Christmas, off to church in a bit...... to pray for a draw!
You'd make a fine little helper. What's your name?

Bill_McBride

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Re:Pauma Valley photo's
« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2006, 04:40:39 PM »
Suggested Christmas gift for the Pauma Valley super:
a chain saw!  :-\

David Stamm

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Re:Pauma Valley photo's
« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2006, 05:31:27 PM »
Not too much action here....maybe you should mention Carl's presumed house on #14 and how we didn't see him!

Merry Christmas, off to church in a bit...... to pray for a draw!


Say one for me! ;)
"The object of golf architecture is to give an intelligent purpose to the striking of a golf ball."- Max Behr

Michael Dugger

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Re:Pauma Valley photo's
« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2006, 08:49:36 PM »
David,

I appreciate you photographic efforts, nice work.  Pauma Valley looks like a good solid fundamental course for the local community.  I wouldn't expect any less from R.T. Jones Sr.

I can imagine this being a poster child for low maintenance hazards.  Some nice views, a little elevation change.  I bet this course offers a good, challenging, albeit it uninspired, game.

It is a place like this which the Doak Scale attempts to address.  You wouldn't travel from afar to play, but it need not hang its' head. :-\  
What does it matter if the poor player can putt all the way from tee to green, provided that he has to zigzag so frequently that he takes six or seven putts to reach it?     --Alistair Mackenzie--

Bob_Huntley

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Re:Pauma Valley photo's
« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2006, 09:31:54 PM »
Gentlefolk,

Those of you that are being somewhat negative in their feelings about Pauma Valley, should not take these photos as the be all and end all of the course.

I haven't been there in many a year but found it resistant to scoring, interesting and a sound test. What one cannot gather from the visual is the almost sensual aroma of orange blossoms and the absence of civilization. If I lived in San Diego county I would choose to be a member.

Bob

Bill_McBride

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Re:Pauma Valley photo's
« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2006, 10:37:05 PM »
Gentlefolk,

Those of you that are being somewhat negative in their feelings about Pauma Valley, should not take these photos as the be all and end all of the course.

I haven't been there in many a year but found it resistant to scoring, interesting and a sound test. What one cannot gather from the visual is the almost sensual aroma of orange blossoms and the absence of civilization. If I lived in San Diego county I would choose to be a member.

Bob

Bob, a lot of the courses in the Santa Barbara area were built in former lemon groves.  You can still walk down a few OB lines and whack at a lemon or two.  It releases that wonderful nectar you are talking about.

David Stamm

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Re:Pauma Valley photo's
« Reply #7 on: December 25, 2006, 12:53:07 AM »
Gentlefolk,

Those of you that are being somewhat negative in their feelings about Pauma Valley, should not take these photos as the be all and end all of the course.

I haven't been there in many a year but found it resistant to scoring, interesting and a sound test. What one cannot gather from the visual is the almost sensual aroma of orange blossoms and the absence of civilization. If I lived in San Diego county I would choose to be a member.

Bob

I couldn't agree more, Bob. This was my second time playing it and I enjoyed even more on my second go around. I think the course falls under the "whole is greater than the sum of the parts" category. While it doesn't visually wow you, it provides a very solid test and a player would not easily get tired of it. The photo's don't pick it up, but there is quite a bit of undulation in the fairways, as Jon can attest. The greens are interesting and were some of the best conditioned I've ever played. The course is very solid. I would agree w/ you Bill, a little tree maintenance would go a long way here, but I don't think it's stifeling the way it sit's now.
"The object of golf architecture is to give an intelligent purpose to the striking of a golf ball."- Max Behr

David Stamm

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Re:Pauma Valley photo's
« Reply #8 on: December 25, 2006, 01:01:03 AM »
Here's a few photo's from the club's website, which are better quality. Note the fairway movement I was mentioning.....










"The object of golf architecture is to give an intelligent purpose to the striking of a golf ball."- Max Behr

rjsimper

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Re:Pauma Valley photo's
« Reply #9 on: December 25, 2006, 12:05:13 PM »
I am with both Mr. Stamm and Mr. Huntley on this one - I've played Pauma Valley only once but I found it to be better than David's photographs suggest (and nothing against you, David - mid-day lighting is the worst...

There's a bit of mystique about Pauma Valley as well, as the ride to get there is a bit of a trek, and one that rewards you with a course that is, especially given the work being done in that era, near the front of the class.  

Bob_Huntley

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Re:Pauma Valley photo's
« Reply #10 on: December 25, 2006, 02:49:19 PM »
David,

Help, double clicked on the small cross and went up to "show picture".....and nothing happened. What do I do now?

Bob

David Stamm

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Re:Pauma Valley photo's
« Reply #11 on: December 25, 2006, 03:30:18 PM »
Hmmmm... Not sure Bob. Are you not able to see any photos?
"The object of golf architecture is to give an intelligent purpose to the striking of a golf ball."- Max Behr

Craig Disher

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Re:Pauma Valley photo's
« Reply #12 on: December 25, 2006, 04:07:09 PM »
David,
I can't see the pictures either. I notice you're using photobucket - is there a limitation on the number of views permitted?

Bob_Huntley

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Re:Pauma Valley photo's
« Reply #13 on: December 25, 2006, 04:12:48 PM »
Craig,

Thanks, I thought it was my lack of computer skills.

Bob

David Stamm

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Re:Pauma Valley photo's
« Reply #14 on: December 25, 2006, 04:13:16 PM »
I don't know Craig. Are the first set of photo's I took at the top showing? The second set are from the club's website.
"The object of golf architecture is to give an intelligent purpose to the striking of a golf ball."- Max Behr

Craig Disher

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Re:Pauma Valley photo's
« Reply #15 on: December 25, 2006, 04:34:14 PM »
Same problem. I use firefox but when I loaded the thread in ie the pictures weren't available either.

I believe the set of photos from the club's website are also displayed using photobucket.

Craig Disher

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Re:Pauma Valley photo's
« Reply #16 on: December 25, 2006, 04:37:42 PM »
I've loaded this picture directly from the Pauma Valley's website. It looks like the problem must be in photobucket.




rjsimper

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Re:Pauma Valley photo's
« Reply #17 on: December 25, 2006, 07:11:01 PM »
Hmmm- I see them (both the PV website and the ones David posted...) - I am on Internet Explorer 6.0.

Tom Roewer

Re:Pauma Valley photo's
« Reply #18 on: December 26, 2006, 06:50:14 AM »
They played "Golf Challenge" there.  It was a series of better ball matches with Palmer / Player pairing against different teams.  

Lynn_Shackelford

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Re:Pauma Valley photo's
« Reply #19 on: December 26, 2006, 04:09:50 PM »
It should be noted that you are not playing the original design.  There was a major flood during some El Nino year and some holes have been altered.  Don't know which ones though.  I think it was in the 70's.
If they cleared out some of the trees on the course, the good views would be even better.  I am betting that doesn't happen.  Word was Palmer and Nicklaus loved it at first site.
It must be kept in mind that the elusive charm of the game suffers as soon as any successful method of standardization is allowed to creep in.  A golf course should never pretend to be, nor is intended to be, an infallible tribunal.
               Tom Simpson