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John Mayhugh

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Re: French Lick Dye
« Reply #25 on: July 05, 2009, 01:48:13 PM »
I am not sure everyone is aware, but to play the Dye Course, you MUST stay in the Resort, so the idea of playing the course for the $350 as a drive in customer won't happen, in fact, we know that if you only drive here, pay the fee and play, you won't have the experience we want you to have, however, our Hall of Fame Golf package is $550 per person and includes a day at the Dye Course and an overnight in the West Baden Springs Hotel, which is ranked in the very top of list of great Hotels in America, then a day of golf on the Donald Ross Course. This is the customer we are looking for, not just the drive in player!

I live an hour & 20 minutes away in Louisville, so an overnight stay doesn't make much sense for me.  So I guess I'm the "drive in player" you refer to. 

Tim Bert

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Re: French Lick Dye
« Reply #26 on: July 05, 2009, 02:46:11 PM »
Dave Harner - Thanks for joining us and weighing in.  I'm surprised to see a new course in this economy that is able to successfully pull off the $550 stay and play package - even with the Dye pedigree and what appears (at least in photos) to be a really cool design.

Are you drawing primarily from Chicago and Indy?   

Tim

jonathan_becker

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Re: French Lick Dye
« Reply #27 on: July 05, 2009, 02:59:30 PM »
I am not sure everyone is aware, but to play the Dye Course, you MUST stay in the Resort, so the idea of playing the course for the $350 as a drive in customer won't happen, in fact, we know that if you only drive here, pay the fee and play, you won't have the experience we want you to have, however, our Hall of Fame Golf package is $550 per person and includes a day at the Dye Course and an overnight in the West Baden Springs Hotel, which is ranked in the very top of list of great Hotels in America, then a day of golf on the Donald Ross Course. This is the customer we are looking for, not just the drive in player!

I live an hour & 20 minutes away in Louisville, so an overnight stay doesn't make much sense for me.  So I guess I'm the "drive in player" you refer to.  

I agree with Mayhugh here....I commented in another thread about the the $350 price tag and now that I know you have to stay overnight, you can forget it.  No offense to Dave Harner, but that's just another way to squeeze every last penny out of your customer.  That's why pinehurst pisses me off.  They price gouge everything, but at least I can show up to play and leave.

I can't believe that they won't take $350 for me to just show up and play.  Not that I would anyway, but that make no sense.  In this day and age, where for less than $350 you can play many fantastic private clubs that normally wouldn't accept unaccompanied play, and the french lick resort won't take my $350....i'm just gonna shut up now, before I get too pissed.
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Dave Harner

Re: French Lick Dye
« Reply #28 on: July 05, 2009, 09:13:17 PM »
I am not here to debate the price or the policy, but I can tell you that those who have PAID the price, have thoroughly enjoyed the experience, and for those who just don't feel this is their cup of tea, the Donald Ross Course here is a classic.

Dave Harner

Re: French Lick Dye
« Reply #29 on: July 05, 2009, 09:20:56 PM »
Reply to Mr. Craig, the course does now officially have a course rating. I don't have it right in front of me at this moment, but the numbers that stick in my mind are the back tee rating. USGA is 80.0 and the Slope is 147.6

Tim Bert

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Re: French Lick Dye
« Reply #30 on: July 05, 2009, 09:40:59 PM »
I'm not sure if my question got lost in the crowd, or if it was deemed debating the policy and price along with the two messages sandwiched around it.  I was simply expressing surprise that you are able to solidly book tee times at that price - my feeling is more power to you if you can get that rate and get repeat play. 

I was also wondering where you are drawing the folks from - not sure if you don't know, don't want to provide that information, or just didn't see the question.

Thanks.

Tim

Dave Harner

Re: French Lick Dye
« Reply #31 on: July 06, 2009, 08:24:33 AM »
Sorry Doug, didn't see the question, so here goes: we are drawing from all over really. I had a couple there yesterday who saw Matt Ginella's article in Golf Digest and came from Maryland on a golfing venture through the Midwest. Indy, Cincinnatti, and Chicago would be the top 3 so far, but the course has had less than 700 rounds since May so I really don't have a good guage as to the strongest, but those would be the most noted.

Of course our goal is not to have a lot of rounds, in fact, as I said the dozen or so a day average is about what we expected, and 30 rounds a day is our goal. It is definitely not a scramble or outing course, so you won't see many of those. we want the course to be a pure, and very private golf experience.

We realize it is not for everyone, but for those who have played it and PAID the price, it has been a special experience.

Would ownership have invested $25,000,000+ in a golf course in this economy and expected to make profit.....the answer, of course, is no. Golf Courses are struggling all over the country, even those with no debt service, so this course was not built with that purpose in mind. It is built to establish French Lick as America's newest golf destination. If our Hotels and Resort don't do well, golf is immateriial anyway. With Donald Ross, Tom Bendelow, and Pete Dye designs scattered about the property all within a couple of miles of each other, we feel we have a good shot at it. Our owner, Mr. William A. Cook, has spent over $600 million dollars restoring this property and I am thankful that golf has been viewed as an important part of that. If you research Mr. Cook, you will find that this is more a labor of love and his gift to the community rather than something that has to make a lot of money.

I appreciate the comments from everyone and also appreciate the opportunity to respond and add to the conversation.

jonathan_becker

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Re: French Lick Dye
« Reply #32 on: July 06, 2009, 08:46:16 AM »
Dave,

Thanks for the more detailed explanation on the resort's thinking. 

Tim Bert

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Re: French Lick Dye
« Reply #33 on: July 06, 2009, 08:56:07 AM »
Thanks for the detailed response. I haven't had a chance to research Mr. Cook but I do have a suggestion if this is truly a labor of love and a "gift to the community."  10 or so rounds a day limited to locals only at maybe $40. Hopefully you already have something in place to let the community enjoy the course. If not I think that would be an opportunity missed given the low volume and Mr. Cook's goals. 

Nick Pozaric

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Re: French Lick Dye
« Reply #34 on: July 06, 2009, 05:38:26 PM »
I just got home from playing the course and had a wonderful time.  Ill post more later when I dont have my 21 day old son on my lap :) .  I had an incredible time and really love the course.  If you play the proper set of tees its not as difficult as you may think.  I have played many of the top courses in the country and its hard to explain but this is a special place with a really neat feeling.  With the addition of the Ross and Bendelow courses  and the hotels and casino it is a fantastic destination.  Im sure its growth from the resort but everytime I go up there   it seems like there are new buildings or renovations going on in the small town of French Lick, its nice to see an old small town coming back to life.  In the golf shop I was talking with some golfers in the group behind them and asked them what they thought.  One of them answered me in one word, "incredible!"

Jason McNamara

Re: French Lick Dye
« Reply #35 on: July 06, 2009, 08:06:34 PM »
Having spent a couple years in the area (received my MA from IU-B*), I can say that for decades, Bill Cook has been tremendously generous throughout southern Indiana.  I imagine they'll find some way to include the local folks, whether it be something like Tim's suggestion or a day set aside or whatever...


* My degree was not from the IU music school (that Mr. Cook endowed), nor do I have any other ties beyond the generic IU association.

Jim Nugent

Re: French Lick Dye
« Reply #36 on: July 07, 2009, 01:45:00 AM »
Reply to Mr. Craig, the course does now officially have a course rating. I don't have it right in front of me at this moment, but the numbers that stick in my mind are the back tee rating. USGA is 80.0 and the Slope is 147.6

Thanks for the numbers.  According to the Slope formula, bogey golfer should shoot around 108 there.

If slope and CR are accurate, the course is harder than Oakmont from the tips. 

Matt Kardash

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Re: French Lick Dye
« Reply #37 on: July 07, 2009, 07:16:58 AM »
The slope and CR on this course is not really accurate I would imagine since I can guarantee you Dye does not mean for the course to play 8100 yards. Just like Kiawah, he puts in way back tees to plan ahead for the future, but no one ever plays those tees....not even pros would. So don't take the back tee ratings too seriously.
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Mike Vegis @ Kiawah

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Re: French Lick Dye
« Reply #38 on: July 07, 2009, 10:53:27 AM »
The slope and CR on this course is not really accurate I would imagine since I can guarantee you Dye does not mean for the course to play 8100 yards. Just like Kiawah, he puts in way back tees to plan ahead for the future, but no one ever plays those tees....not even pros would. So don't take the back tee ratings too seriously.

At The Ocean Course, we don't even have the back tees on the scorecard nor do we have markers on them.  While from the middle of those tees, the course is 7,873 yards, the scorecard's Tournament Tees are 7,356 yards.

Dave Harner

Re: French Lick Dye
« Reply #39 on: July 10, 2009, 09:07:45 AM »
Since I am the Director of Golf, I now have the EXACT slope and ratings for the Pete Dye Course at French Lick. The ratings are:

Red tees. 65.4.   118 slope
White tees. 70.6. 130 slope
Blue tees. 73.3. 135 slope
Black tees. 76.2. 139 slope
Gold tees. 80.0. 148 slope

From the tips, it may well be the most difficult course in the US, not that I want anyone playing back there!!!

Someone else commented about local play. There are very few people who play golf in the French Lick area and those that do are in some way affiliated with the Resort or the Golf Operation, or are caddies, and there are playing opportunities for them.

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