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Bob_Huntley

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If our job performance was rated on GCA......
« on: December 15, 2006, 06:13:51 PM »
A recent thread on Architect Bashing, now relegated to Page Two, had something like 2550 Views and 114 Replies.

I have read some pretty personal and scathing comments in this forum on certain practitioners of the art and got to wondering. How sensitive would any of us feel if it be posted that our paving sucked, our stock selections were abominable or our ideas of medicine bordered on malpractice?

I think Tom Doak summed it up with the old religious analogy,
'Hate the Course, Love the Designer.'

Bob


Tom Huckaby

Re:If our job performance was rated on GCA......
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2006, 06:17:59 PM »
It's times like these I am very glad no one really knows what I do for a living, that is if they take the great leap of faith that I actually do work rather than spend all day posting on here.

 ;)

But that is exceedingly well said, Bob.  As is the summation by Tom Doak.  

TH

Mike Benham

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Re:If our job performance was rated on GCA......
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2006, 06:56:04 PM »
Unfortunately, building a product that is for public consumption does make it free game in the world of public opinion.

If I worked for a publically traded company in a senior management position, my performance and that of my company, would be hacked on every day by analysts, investors and the media.  Click on the message boards on Yahoo for publically traded company and you get yahoos that are about as qualified to run a corporation as we are to design a golf course.

Like the professional athlete, if you are in the public eye, you get scrutinized, poked and prodded like you won't believe, that's why you get the big bucks ...
"... and I liked the guy ..."

Lou_Duran

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Re:If our job performance was rated on GCA......
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2006, 07:53:41 PM »
Mike,

I think that society at large is progressively becoming less civil.  There is nothing wrong with stating opinions, and better yet, backing them up with facts and arguments.  But even when trying to be funny or provocative, calling people names and ascribing dark motives to them is OB.

Bob,

That's a difficult distinction, and a harder discipline.

I once had the dual responsibility for overseeing the management and sales of a large apartment complex in Texas.  A mid-level employee of the client performed a surprise audit and his report was less than favorable (he fiiguratively tried to tear me a new one). The primary issue was that we had billed for 50 new HVAC units, but his count showed only 33.  Unfortunately, this rather uniformed layman failed to realize that some units were roof mounted and out of sight, while others were on concrete pads at grade level.

To make a long story short, I responded to the critical report with polaroids of each unit, and suggested that had the man gotten out of his air-conditioned car on a beautiful summer day in Texas, that perhaps his count and the report might have been more accurate.

Shortly after, I heard from tha client that this chap meant no harm, that he was only criticizing the asset and not the asset manager.  To which I felt like saying, please!  An inanimate object has no responsibility (unless it is an SUV).  Over time one either develops thick skin or another great defense mechanism: blinders to unwarranted criticism from people who don't matter.  

Andy Troeger

Re:If our job performance was rated on GCA......
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2006, 07:58:13 PM »
Try being a coach on any level. Its one thing in sports where coaches make millions of dollars, but the same thing in lesser amounts happens on every level. Some of the things that people say not only are rude/crude/mean-spirited, but then often they don't even make sense in their rudeness!

Tommy Williamsen

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Re:If our job performance was rated on GCA......
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2006, 11:30:56 PM »
So many jobs look easy from the outside looking in.  No one does a job in a vacuum.  I have been an ordained Lutheran Clergyman for 35 years.  I have served a suburban congregation for 25 years. Prior to my present congregation I served an inner city congregation.  Each parish needed different talents and leadership skills from me.  Each congregation looked at the world differently.  Each congregation is made up of people who have widley varied lists of expectations.  Each congregations has many people who think that anyone can do my job and that they could certainly do it better. I learned a long time ago that it is futile to try and please everyone.  Neither can you adequatley explain all the ins an outs of your profession.  To be a Lutheran clergyman requires four years of college and four years of seminary.  Yet, even though I have a Ph.D in theology many of my members are convinced they know more than I ever will.  It is just the nature of things.

Sometimes I think, I could design a golf course.  Then I think of all that goes into it.  Working with an owner or a committee.  Using the site to its fullest potential, trying to be original without go over the top, using tried and true hole designs without being accused of copying someones work, satisfying the general membership while make the course difficult enough for the scratch player to be challenged etc.

Then I come to my senses and give thanks for those architects who do their best, chuckle at some holes that I, of course would have designed better, and appreciate those who love the game and have taken up the challenge to make my round of golf enjoyable.

Sometimes I will preach a sermon that just is brilliant, or at least decent.  Sometimes, more than I would like to admit, I preach such a stinkeer that I would like second chance.

I'll bet that there are many architects who would like a second chance with some of their work as well.

It is tough to always be under public scrutiny.  But that is the nature of the beast for many of us.  We just have to learn to live with it.  At the same time we need to be humble enough to admit who are the professionals and who are not.
Where there is no love, put love; there you will find love.
St. John of the Cross

"Deep within your soul-space is a magnificent cathedral where you are sweet beyond telling." Rumi

Bob_Huntley

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Re:If our job performance was rated on GCA......
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2006, 12:54:11 AM »
Tommy,

Thank you for your input. I daresay that your chosen route provided great inspiration yet the scutiny from your congregation could provide the most rigorous examination of your faith and abilities.

I would find yours a tough road to hoe.

Bob

Tommy Williamsen

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Re:If our job performance was rated on GCA......
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2006, 01:01:23 AM »
I constantly ask for feedback.  If I don't get it I stop growing.  All of it is important to hear.  I want the good news and the bad news.  Then I choose people I respect and know will be honest with me, to help me evaluate that feedback.

From what I have read from Jeff Brauer, Tom Doak and Forest, they seem to do the same.  They may not like some of what they hear, but they obviously take what they hear to heart.  That is why they have grown in their chosen profession.
Where there is no love, put love; there you will find love.
St. John of the Cross

"Deep within your soul-space is a magnificent cathedral where you are sweet beyond telling." Rumi

Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re:If our job performance was rated on GCA......
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2006, 01:17:50 AM »
Bob, excellent point. Many of us are judged by the market place and how we perform in it. However that is much different than those professions where you are looked at in the light of day. I do not think I or we should take ourselves so seriously that much of what we say should be considered professional scrutiny of another professionals work.

Phil_the_Author

Re:If our job performance was rated on GCA......
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2006, 05:00:51 AM »
Bob,

And yet there are a number of us, and I am including myself, out here whose work is publicly judged on the site occasionally.

I write for a living and several of my golf books have been discussed here. There are those who enjoyed them and those who used them as kindling for their fireplaces and said as much when the subject came up.

Ask Brad, Mr. Ward, Jay Flemma and others whose printed work is the subject of discussion. All of us want feed back on what we've written and if we're smart we won't catagorize them as good or bad, but rather as informative or not.

A critical review that points out flaws that could and/or should have been avoided is most helpful and appreciated (at least by me) and I would imagine that for architects, subtle ways their designs play that they didn't expect, when pointed out by someone whose opinions they trust, is also most helpful.

The bottom line, if we think about it carefully, there isn't a single person whose work performance is not under scrutiny and being judged by someone as worthy or not.

 

Phil_the_Author

Re:If our job performance was rated on GCA......
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2006, 05:02:47 AM »
By the way Tommy, did you here the one about the time the Rabbi, the Catholic priest and the Lutheran minister...  ;D

paul cowley

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Re:If our job performance was rated on GCA......
« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2006, 08:14:57 AM »
I constantly ask for feedback.  If I don't get it I stop growing.  All of it is important to hear.  I want the good news and the bad news.  Then I choose people I respect and know will be honest with me, to help me evaluate that feedback.

From what I have read from Jeff Brauer, Tom Doak and Forest, they seem to do the same.  They may not like some of what they hear, but they obviously take what they hear to heart.  That is why they have grown in their chosen profession.

Gee Tommy, Do you think you might accept me in your congregation? ;)

The Lutheran minister that I grew up with, Keen Hilton, always sought me out, along with all my friends, for inclusion within the church...and he was a person who probably taught best by his own example.
He was a very good man whose image I still learn from.

You did ask for feedback, right? ;) :)
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