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John Kavanaugh

What would be your mission statement..
« on: November 27, 2006, 01:01:26 PM »
What would be your mission statement if you had the opportunity to build your own course.  Please take into consideration that the course must host a national tournament over the next 75 years.

Dave_Miller

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Re:What would be your mission statement..
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2006, 01:07:48 PM »
What would be your mission statement if you had the opportunity to build your own course.  Please take into consideration that the course must host a national tournament over the next 75 years.

John:
Can you refine a little bit what you mean by mission statement.  Is this to be a reflection on the type of golf course, type of membership, overall facilities, etc.or a combination all.  
To host a national championship many factors come into play not just the course.
Best
Dave

jmorrison

Re:What would be your mission statement..
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2006, 01:17:45 PM »
John,

You have brought up a very interesting topic, but I agree with Dave that you need to be a little more in depth about the term " mission statement".

Cheers

John Kavanaugh

Re:What would be your mission statement..
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2006, 01:20:56 PM »
Dave,

I included the championship part because it makes it so much harder to come up with a statement that includes more than affordable and interesting golf.  I always hated the mission statement exercise until I went to Mayo Clinic and was impressed by the ones posted in each department.  It was the first time I ever thought a mission statement could make a difference.  Here is an example that could be tweeked to fit a golf course:  "To provide the highest quality, compassionate cardiovascular care to Mayo patients in the professional environment which respects the contributions of each employee and emphasizes not only the expertise in clinical practice, but nurtures and balances the Division's commitment to clinical and basic research and education."

Adam Clayman

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Re:What would be your mission statement..
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2006, 01:37:30 PM »
To create an elastic medium that will inspire every golfer, regardless of ability inorder to identify ones level of humanism through competition. And a good soup!

Oh yeah, and more Cowbell.
"It's unbelievable how much you don't know about the game you've been playing your whole life." - Mickey Mantle

Steve Lang

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Re:What would be your mission statement..
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2006, 01:52:45 PM »
 8)

The only people really impressed by Mission Statements are  checklist/lender/investor types..  and they are just using them as a hurdle of political/financial correctness.. once money is in hand, its just a posteer on the wall for most.

"This Course will be a real Mother of Golf" says it all..
Inverness (Toledo, OH) cathedral clock inscription: "God measures men by what they are. Not what they in wealth possess.  That vibrant message chimes afar.
The voice of Inverness"

cary lichtenstein

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Re:What would be your mission statement..
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2006, 02:09:16 PM »
Actually, Misson Statements are important. For example, they can define your budget and therefore attract or not attract the level of superintendent desired.

An example of this would be to have the course in tournament condition everyday except during aeration. This would necessiate a huge budget, size of staff, etc., in order to accomplish this.

Another would be min green speeds of 10+, hand raked traps, manatory caddy program or walking only
« Last Edit: November 27, 2006, 02:10:03 PM by cary lichtenstein »
Live Jupiter, Fl, was  4 handicap, played top 100 US, top 75 World. Great memories, no longer play, 4 back surgeries. I don't miss a lot of things about golf, life is simpler with out it. I miss my 60 degree wedge shots, don't miss nasty weather, icing, back spasms. Last course I played was Augusta

Geoffrey Childs

Re:What would be your mission statement..
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2006, 02:10:03 PM »
 "To provide the highest quality, compassionate cardiovascular care to Mayo patients in the professional environment which respects the contributions of each employee and emphasizes not only the expertise in clinical practice, but nurtures and balances the Division's commitment to clinical and basic research and education."

John

That statement is a very standard mode of operation for any academic medicine institution.  We must think of patient care but also realize that medical and graduate student education and basic and clinical research are critical pieces of everyday operations. That is what distinguishes an academic institution from a private hospital.

More important then a mission statement would be a MASTER PLAN which outlines in specifics just what is to be done, how it will be done and at what cost.  A mission statement is hand waving IMHO while a master plan is a meat and potatoes document with the specifics to guide actual actions.

Randy Van Sickle

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Re:What would be your mission statement..
« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2006, 02:27:04 PM »
Hmmmm.  

Mission statement:

"Things We Think and Do Not Say"

Then again, that sounds more like a memo to me.

Can't get back to RDGC soon enough

John Kavanaugh

Re:What would be your mission statement..
« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2006, 02:34:58 PM »
Geoffrey,

It would be great to read peoples ideas of master plans for a golf course but as you well know it is hard enough to get a sentence or two on subject out of most posters on this site.  I aske Cirba to give me what he thought the mission of Jones and Mackenzie was at Augusta and only got insulted...You can only do so much on one thread while footballs are still flying.

Like I said above I have never been a fan of mission statements but when I go to a rural hospital and read their statement that does not include the word affordable and then go to a world class facility that does...it makes me feel better about my treatment.  If I feel better about what is being done maybe I'll feel better when it is over.  I think the same can work for golf if the facility backs it up...like Mayo and I'm sure where you practice does.  It costs me less to go to Mayo including airfare than to drive nine miles to my local hospital...now that makes me sick and then the cycle starts all over again.

JESII

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Re:What would be your mission statement..
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2006, 03:05:17 PM »
What is this MASTER PLAN supposed to use as its guideline for priority and action?

David Stamm

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Re:What would be your mission statement..
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2006, 03:35:03 PM »
Hmmmm.  

Mission statement:

"Things We Think and Do Not Say"

Then again, that sounds more like a memo to me.



Randy, did you just have some bad pizza?? ;D
"The object of golf architecture is to give an intelligent purpose to the striking of a golf ball."- Max Behr

Bob_Huntley

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Re:What would be your mission statement..
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2006, 03:52:11 PM »
What would be your mission statement if you had the opportunity to build your own course.  Please take into consideration that the course must host a national tournament over the next 75 years.

John,

How about something like this?


Our Mission

We are a country club whose highest priority is to provide a unique and superior golf experience.
 

We Strive To:

Provide a consistently enjoyable golf and social experience where members and their guests receive outstanding service in a warm and friendly environment.

Safeguard the design integrity of our exceptional golf course, yet continue to improve them and allow it to evolve.

Maintain golf course to the highest standard.

Attract and admit new  members who are quality individuals with a keen interest in golf, a pleasant demeanor, and who will make a contribution to the Club`s well-being.

Enhance and maintain our facilities at a high level and consistent standards, so that they are functional, thoughtful, and tasteful, but without ostentation.

Provide an array of high quality dining and social facilities and services commensurate with membership desires.

Preserve the use of our golf courses for the exclusive use of our members and their guests as well as select and discreet charitable events or significant amateur golf tournaments.

Maintain a financial condition that allows the Club to serve its current members, and insures the Club`s healthy future viability.

Bring value to the lives of our members, our employees, and their families.

Provide a safe environment for all.
 

As a member I accept the challenges and

responsibility for the stewardship of our Club,

and for preserving the special nature of our golf course,

as well as our spirit of warmth and friendliness.


Bob
 
 
 
 
 

John Kavanaugh

Re:What would be your mission statement..
« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2006, 03:58:08 PM »
Bob,

I love it...make evey member sign it and post it in the clubhouse.

Mark_Fine

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Re:What would be your mission statement..
« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2006, 10:05:10 PM »
Bob,
It all sounds excellent!  Only problem, one of your board members just played a round on your course with a no name touring pro and watched in awe as he casually shot 61 with two bogies on his card.  Now what do you do about that National Open you were hoping to hold  ;D

Isn't this the dilemma that many clubs have to deal with?  Unfortunately, quite a few make the wrong decision/s for their club as a result!
Mark

Bob_Huntley

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Re:What would be your mission statement..
« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2006, 11:13:17 PM »
Mark,

I should have entered one caveat.... neither of our courses could ever hold an Open Championship. I must say I was hoping that no one would expose me thus.

Bob

James Bennett

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Re:What would be your mission statement..
« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2006, 07:06:01 AM »
Bob

Home of the Wolf Nationals! :o

James B
Bob; its impossible to explain some of the clutter that gets recalled from the attic between my ears. .  (SL Solow)

RDecker

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Re:What would be your mission statement..
« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2006, 08:13:45 AM »
"The Pro shop sells Beer, Balls and lead tape.  We mow the greens infrequently and the rough not at all so we recommend you pick up some of each."

ForkaB

Re:What would be your mission statement..
« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2006, 09:07:16 AM »
John

The fact is that no organization can produce a "mission statement," or even a "master plan." that will not be obsolete soon after it has been produced.  The poster children for this are highly revered organizations such as General Electric, Pine Valley, Martha Stewart, the Vatican and the Republican Party (or the DemocraticParty, if you wish....).

Of course, this is the answer you wanted, isn't it--or do you have a mission statement that we are not aware of? :o

John Kavanaugh

Re:What would be your mission statement..
« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2006, 09:14:26 AM »
Rich,

The answer I wanted was what was the mission statement of Mackenzie and Jones when they went off and built Augusta National and how has the course strayed from that mission...I of course think they are right on track.  This thread seems to prove my point once again.

ForkaB

Re:What would be your mission statement..
« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2006, 09:27:01 AM »
John

If you want an answer, don't use the form of a question.  It's a classic sophomore trap that even genii like Mucci and you fall into. Just state the answer and then ask the question, a la MacWood.  You'll find it a lot easier, IMHO. :)

Mike_Cirba

Re:What would be your mission statement..
« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2006, 09:48:09 AM »
Rich,

The answer I wanted was what was the mission statement of Mackenzie and Jones when they went off and built Augusta National and how has the course strayed from that mission...I of course think they are right on track.  This thread seems to prove my point once again.

From the London Evening Standard, April 2006;

Among the first to react to confirmation that six new tees have seen Augusta National grow by 155 yards to a mammoth 7,445 yards, making it the second-longest course in major championship history, were Jack Nicklaus and Arnold Palmer.

Nicklaus, winner of a record six Masters green jackets, was unequivocal. "I think they've ruined the tournament," he said. Palmer, with four Masters titles to his name, added: "I love the place, but now I'm not sure."

Gary Player, three times a Masters champion, revealed he heard defendingtitle-holder Tiger Woods claim that only six of this week's 99 contenders stood a chance of tasting victory come Sunday evening. "Six people! Ernie Els told me personally that he thought the number was 10," said Player.

"For me that says it all. Is that not sad? That 10 guys can win the tournament? It has become strictly a longhitter's course."

Adding length to a golf course as a means of defence against the new breed of big-hitting young players exploiting advances in club and ball design is not new.

In the case of Augusta National, however, argument rages over whether these latest changes detract from the original vision of golf course architect Alister Mackenzie and Bobby Jones, cofounder of the Masters, which sought to place a premium on the skill of shooting to some of the game's toughest greens.

Hootie Johnson, chairman of Augusta National Golf Club, defended the new-look holes by insisting: "As in the past, our objective is to maintain the integrity and shot values of the course as envisioned by Bobby Jones and Alister Mackenzie."

But Mike Weir, the 2003 Masters champion, believes they have got it wrong.

The Canadian is among the shortest hitters on the US PGA Tour, standing 172nd in the average driving distance table on 275.3 yards, and after playing two practice rounds he said: "I'm sure if Bobby Jones were around it would be like ' what are you guys doing?' "What disturbs me is they're getting away from the character of the golf course. I think Mr Jones wanted creative shots from all over the place into tough greens. They're taking away some of the excitement of the tournament."

Nicklaus supported Weir, saying: "Augusta has meant a ton to me in my lifetime. It's a big, big part of my life and I love it. That's why I hate to see them change it.

"They've totally eliminated what Bobby Jones tried to do in the game of golf. He believed golf was primarily a second-shot game. He believed that you should have enough room to drive the ball onto the fairway, but if you put it on the correct side of the fairway you had an advantage to put the ball toward the hole. He wanted to give you a chance to do that shot."

John,  I would think you'd value the opinions of Jack, Arnie, and Gary over mine.  They don't mince words, either.

John Kavanaugh

Re:What would be your mission statement..
« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2006, 09:54:22 AM »

John,  I would think you'd value the opinions of Jack, Arnie, and Gary over mine.  They don't mince words, either.

Mike,

You have spent a critical career putting down the architectural talents of the above three and now you choose to side with them to support your weak argument.  Shame on you.

JESII

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Re:What would be your mission statement..
« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2006, 09:59:45 AM »
Why is it that the golfers/architects that get roasted on this board for some lack of architectural vision or ability get quoted as the single reason the changes to ANGC are so far off course?


I understand the loss of width and probably would think it's quite dramatic and a negative in the overall golf course, but the most important part of John's initial post was the "hosting a national tournament 75 years from now" line.


As I have said, I have never been there. For those of you that have and vehemently state that the loss of width has been a terrible thing for the golf course tell me what Tiger Woods would shoot if you placed his ball at the edge of wrong side of every fairway at his full 330 yards from each tee. The way these guys hit approach shots today you have to do one of two things; decide you don't care about the occasional 62 and the frequent 65, or figure out how to make the course tougher for them. Length and width are the ways that change the golf course the least.

Mike_Cirba

Re:What would be your mission statement..
« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2006, 10:02:39 AM »
Mike,

You have spent a critical career putting down the architectural talents of the above three and now you choose to side with them to support your weak argument.  Shame on you.

John,

Each of these men was a better player than architect.

You don't have to be able to create greatness to recognize it.  You've asked if the course is getting away from what Mackenzie/Jones envisioned, and three men with probably 100 years collective experience playing it at the highest level just gave you your answer.

You just don't like it.