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Chris_Clouser

Southern Hills - The rest of the course
« on: July 07, 2007, 04:39:03 PM »
Considering there were a grand total of zero responses to the last four threads on this series  :'( I decided to just end it today with one long post.

Holes 11-14 in the first post and 15-18 on the second.

Hole 11 – 173 yards

   The use of the hill continues on the eleventh as the hole runs from an elevated tee and along the right to left slope feeding down to the green.  The green also uses this same slope and is one of the most difficult putting surfaces on the course.  With the downhill nature of the hole, not only is distance control a factor in club selection, but the openness of the hole to the wind conditions will play havoc with many players.  With the prevailing breeze coming from the right, many shots will naturally find the left side of the green and the bunkers on that side.  If the breeze comes from the north the hole will play much easier.  
Pin locations on the right side will be nearly impossible to stop the ball near the hole.  The bunkers around the green were originally in a Maxwell template style with five of them being hard against the putting surface.  Since that time, two of them were combined on the right side and have squeezed in the playing surface.  The impact of this “squeeze” has created a narrow neck at the back of the green that lies between two hazards.  This is the location of the most difficult pins for the hole.  Like the prior short holes, birdies can happen but they will require shrewd shot making and imagination, along with a hot putter.



Hole 12 – 458 yards

   Famous courses are often defined by their most famous holes.  Augusta is synonymous with Amen Corner, Pebble Beach and the ocean holes, St. Andrews and the Road Hole.  Perhaps the most famous hole is undoubtedly the twelfth and with good reason.  It is special.  The original layout was put together by accident as Maxwell originally wanted to place the green where the current tees of the thirteenth are placed.  Then someone suggested that they place the green on the opposite side of the creek.  Maxwell commented that he was amazed they had not thought of it before.  Since that time many have speculated that the hole was designed to mimic the famous thirteenth at Augusta National.  There is nothing to support this claim, as Maxwell would not visit Augusta until after the construction at Southern Hills was completed and he was not involved in any discussions with Alister Mackenzie in the design of the Georgian course.  But there are many similarities.  
   The drive of the hole is actually uphill to the crest that runs from a hill to the right of the hole.  To the left at top of this crest is also the lone fairway bunker that is the pivot point for the dogleg.  If one plays along the left side they will get a clearer view into the green and be able to attack it along the length of the putting surface.  To do so will require a tee shot of 260 or more yards.  From the right, the hole plays down hill to a green surrounded with more trouble than a teenaged television star.
     To the right of the green is the creek and a shaved bank that will deposit anything just slightly off line into the water.  I have seen this first hand.  To the left are three bunkers that surround the green.  Most players will be hitting mid-iron into the green, so the chances of error will increase.  Also a factor will be a lie that has the ball above the player’s feet.  If they do not compensate or go to the other extreme trouble will be found.  Perhaps one suggestion to improve the hole would be to extend the left side of the fairway and eliminate a few overhanging trees to provide a truly clear view into the green for those that hit their tee shot to a specific location.
   The green is heavily sloped from left to right and towards the water.  There are a couple of knobs in the putting surface as well and it presents a real challenge, but if the player makes it to this location then they will be more than thankful to take a par.  The hole was the undoing to Arnold Palmer’s bid to win the 1972 PGA Championship and denying “The King” in his last real chance at winning his unclaimed trophy.



Hole 13 – 537 yards

Like the fifth, the thirteenth has been toyed with by the USGA in the past.  But in this case it was only by altering the length of the hole and the use of some forward tees.  In the 1958 US Open the hole played as a par four of almost 475 yards.  At the time, the players had extreme difficulty in averaging par on the hole.  As a result, the hole was the most difficult par four in the history of the Open until the 1990s when 490 yard par fours became part of the standard fare for such tournaments.  Since that tournament the hole has always been a par five in professional events.  The ironic thing is that with the longer ball the hole actually presents some of the same problems it provided in the 1950s.  
At 535 yards in length it does not appear to be a terribly taxing hole on paper, but the landforms used by Maxwell present a very complicated puzzle in attacking the hole.  The drive of most players today will land them in the midst of some tumbling terrain that will undoubtedly leave them with an uneven lie and in some cases at least a semi-blind second shot.  As with the 1958 Open, the longer players may be able to just clear the trouble, especially if a southerly wind helps them.  But that is if they have the machismo to attempt what is the scariest second shot on any par five I have played.  
Regardless of the length from the tee, players will be looking at 200-plus yards into this green through a narrow fairway corridor lined with trees.   Players will be presented with an uneven lie and on the other end are two little ponds, a group of five bunkers, deep rough and a green that has one of the biggest buried elephants on the course right in the center.  There is no room for error and recovery could vary from unlikely to impossible.  Many wonder why a player of the caliber of the professionals and their accuracy with wedges would try it, but many do every time.  Just ask Tiger Woods.  His late bid in the 2001 US Open sunk when he attempted the carry and found nothing but water.  
The green is sloped from back to front and features a large knob in the middle.  This typical style of green contouring by Maxwell is what coined the term Maxwell Rolls.  The key is to be on the correct side of the knob or you will be faced with a difficult two putt and walk off deflated and possibly have any chances of winning the championship taken out of your grasp.  



Hole 14 – 223 yards

The last of the par threes is next in the routing and is perhaps the most clever of the bunch.  The slightly elevated tee creates a shot of over 200 yards to the green below.  As with the rest of the course, the green is heavily protected by sand.  This is perhaps the one par three where the dominant wind is a true help as it will allow the player to fade the ball gracefully onto the green surface.  
   This is all because the tilt of the putting surface is much more accepting than others around the course.  The green runs dynamically from front left to back right.  The most satisfying shot on my one round at Southern Hills was a strong three iron that landed on the front right of the green and rolled ever so gracefully to the back left portion of the green.  If only that was where the pin was located.  The right side of the green tilts further away, the farther back on the green you go.  Difficulty will be found on anything to the left side, with the most difficult being back left.  Back right pin locations might actually be the easiest even though they will be the farthest, and they may also provide some wonderfully entertaining shots.


Chris_Clouser

Re:Southern Hills - The rest of the course
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2007, 04:41:08 PM »
Hole 15 – 413 yards

If I were to declare one hole at Southern Hills as non-descript, it would be the fifteenth.  But that would be unfair, it just comes up short because of the greatness that surrounds the hole.  The terrain on the hole slopes dramatically from left to right off of the bunker in the corner of the dogleg. The lie is often below the players feet while the green requires a draw to really get back to any deep pin placements, another typical Maxwell reverse-dogleg.
On the approach, a tree protects the left side of the green for anyone that tries to cut the hole too much on that side. But most players can lay back and still have a short iron or wedge into the green.  The area short of the green contains some excellent rolling terrain that makes any approach over the ground a tricky option at best. Also providing some reason for timid play are the multiple bunkers around the green.  
An aerial approach is the best bet and the left side being preferred as the slope of the green off of the knob to the right is the most severe on the backside, with the exception of the 18th.

Photo courtesy of Keith Foster


Hole 16 – 507 yards

For the life of me, I will forever miss the logic behind making this hole a par four.  Especially when, for the tournament this year, it will tip out at 507 yards.  What’s wrong with having a par 71 course?  Just move it back to the member tees at 565 and provide some drama on the hole instead of having the players feel like they can only play it one way.  Aside from my distaste of altering par on holes by moving tees up or back, there is a very good reason to use the regular par five tees, as was done in the 1958 Open (but ignored since then).  From those back tees the players will be hitting into the teeth of the heaving humps and bumps in the fairway and will have much more difficult shots into the green.  From the forward tees, the players will likely be able to hit over the contouring and have a much more level lie while only being faced with the distance required to get there as a concern.  If these guys are so good, let them show it off.  
Enough with my rant, once the players have hit over the most interesting part of the hole they will be left with a 200 yard shot into a green that is fronted by a bunker and water short and left.  Players will more than likely land their balls on the front right part of the green and take their chances of putting for par once they reach the green.  The green has some defense, but it is mostly in the form of a steep slope from back to front.  
If you make it a par five then you will let the grip it and rip it set go for the green and try for eagle instead of just playing it safe.  You will also get those that can’t reach it laying up and having to play pitches into the tight pin positions on the left side of the green.  Come on PGA, break the rules and let the players show us what they can do instead of just making it a test of endurance.  The temperatures in Tulsa will do that for us.

 

Hole 17 – 358 yards

The short par fours on championship courses have been slowly dwindling from the scene.  Hopefully that will be rectified one day and the seventeenth at Southern Hills is a great example of why this should be.  Though the hole will play close to 360 yards from the tips during the championship, it will play like a true short par four due to the terrain movement and the fact that no one should have more than a wedge into this green.  The terrain on the hole shifts from left to right towards a creek that should only be in play if a grave error is made by the players.  The ideal play is along the left side.  If the ball is bombed, the player may take a chance of going down the right side to reach the level part of the fairway just short of the green, but this would be a disadvantage on the second shot.
The original Maxwell green is still in place as the right side of the modern green.  The left side of the green was added by Floyd Farley when he expanded this green complex into the wonderful putting surface we see today.  With it raised above the surrounds it eliminates the advantage of the true bomber that finds a short pitch from the fairway below.  But the wise player who relies less on brawn can have an ideal view of any pin from the left side.  For those that cannot choose either way, they will be left with a hanging lie in the middle of the fairway.  
The contouring of the green is the most complex on the course, with the original portion sloped towards the player and the Farley side of the green seeming to run away.  Without question, pin positions on the left side will be much more difficult.  The green itself is very narrow from front to back, but the length from right to left is something that is unique to Southern Hills.  Wherever the player hits their approach from, leaving it short is not an option as several bunkers protect the front of the green.  



Hole 18 – 465 yards

One of the most storied finishing holes in golf is at Southern Hills.  Much like Maxwell’s ideal opening hole on the first, his model eighteenth would probably be best identified by this hole.  Maxwell’s belief was in finishing on an uphill hole with the clubhouse in the background.  He produced this on several of his courses, but none surpasses this beauty.  At over 450 yards in length it is also a brutal test and is great compliment to the hole that immediately preceded it.  From the tee, the player catches a glimpse of the green ahead, but loses sight of the fairway as it disappears down the hill to the stream below.  The player is immediately left a choice, lay back off the tee and have a much longer approach or take the risk and play to the flat below and trust that their ball will not roll too far down the hill and into the water.  Truthfully, the right side of the fairway should be safe and only the long balls on the left have anything to worry about.  If the player lays back they will have about 200 yards into the green, uphill and more than likely into the wind while having a downhill lie, a shot I would not envy with the tournament on the line.  The player who hits to the valley below will have an uphill shot of 150 yards with a level lie.  
The large bunker on the left side is in play for those that hit it short up the hill.
The green above was reconstructed by Keith Foster to soften the front and back contours with the hope of making the green more accepting to approach shots, based on problems from the 2001 US Open.  Knobs throughout the green make long putts difficult to get close and three putts will likely occur.  As evidenced by the last hole of regulation play when both players in the final group three putted in the 2001 US Open, one missing out on a play-off (Stewart Cink) and another missing out on the championship outright (Retief Goosen).



Conclusion

Southern Hills is one of the top championship layouts in the United States.  But it has come under some criticism in recent years.  I have read several comments basically saying that the course is overrated and that if it were anywhere near other golfing towns like Philadelphia or New York it would tumble down the rankings.  To me that type of comment is complete rubbish.  Having seen other top courses in the country, I unequivocally feel that Southern Hills is among the top in the country and rightly deserves its ranking.  But there are some valid criticisms that can be laid on the course.  There are too many trees on the site.  The arboreal guardians infringe on the play of too many holes.  It would be wonderful to see what might happen if they were trimmed back and the original playing characteristics of holes like the second and third were re-established.  A second criticism is in regards to the bunkering, as it has changed significantly over the years to what many call “moon craters” and away from the original concept of Maxwell.  This seems to be a choice made by the club for competitive and maintenance purposes.  The last criticism is in regards to the rough and how thick it is constantly maintained.  I doubt that this was what Maxwell intended with the original design, but again this comes part and parcel with the burdens of being a “championship” test in this day and age.  
Regardless of these criticisms, the facts remain about what lays on the site of Southern Hills.  The course is a wonderful routing that maximizes the potential of all the natural geographic characteristics of the site.  It has some wonderful green complexes.  The course challenges the player to execute and have a complete game while providing a variety of one-shot, two-shot and three-shot holes on the course.  These items, along with the deep championship and architectural history of the course make it one of the treasures of American parkland golf.  

CHrisB

Re:Southern Hills - The rest of the course
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2007, 04:49:15 PM »
Chris,

Thanks for the pictures and analysis of Southern Hills. I'll bet that if you revive or reintroduce these threads when the PGA Championship approaches, you'll get a lot more interest and participation. It appears that many on here have had Oakmont and Carnoustie on their minds during your series...

mike_beene

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Re:Southern Hills - The rest of the course
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2007, 07:24:39 PM »
Chris,really nice pictures.This is as good a routing as I have seen.Direction always changes and the hills give variety without wearing you out.I dislike the 18th tee shot.For most golfers laying back creates more trouble than driving it down there,which then is fairly luck dependent.Cover the left ditch and all would be well.

Sam Morrow

Re:Southern Hills - The rest of the course
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2007, 09:28:35 AM »
I have really enjoyed this picture series. I have played Southern Hills a few times and driven past it several more times. The one thing that I never get over is the size of the bunkers, you just don't realize in pictures and on TV how large the bunkers actually are.

Andy Troeger

Re:Southern Hills - The rest of the course
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2007, 11:09:27 PM »
Chris,
Thanks for posting and putting the effort into this and your Indiana public course profiles.

PThomas

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Re:Southern Hills - The rest of the course
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2007, 11:14:28 PM »
Chris - if I had to bet, I'd bet that the lack of responses to your threads have been due to the (apparent?) shortcomings to SH that you describe

thanks for the posts and pics...I hope I can get there someday soon
199 played, only Augusta National left to play!

Andy Troeger

Re:Southern Hills - The rest of the course
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2007, 11:33:01 PM »
I think some of it is geography. I don't get the impression we have many posters that have played or are familiar with Southern Hills. Its hard to post anything intelligent about a course you've never seen.

Its certainly a worthwhile series, whether or not it creates a lot of actual discussion. I would suggest to Chris to bump them back to the front once the PGA starts, I bet that interest would be significant then.

RT

Re:Southern Hills - The rest of the course
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2007, 06:33:45 AM »
Having grown up in OK in my then youth I often felt like Southern Hills had a noble feel to the topography, much like Twin Hills (OKC) topography in a sense.

mark chalfant

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Re:Southern Hills - The rest of the course
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2007, 10:48:56 PM »
Chris

thanks very much
Maxwell does so many superb routings. Ive always admired #11 and #17 but  those contours on 15 @ Southern Hills are an intriguing surprise. I hope folks that   travel to Tulsa  also check out Perrys work at  Hillcrest or Muskogee. I enjoyed reading your  book !

PThomas

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Re:Southern Hills - The rest of the course
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2007, 10:50:14 PM »
in the latest GD, Johnny Miller says "SH has as good a collection of par 4s as you'll find anywhere...Whatever SH lacks aesthetically, it more than makes up for in technical merit"
199 played, only Augusta National left to play!

Jay Flemma

Re:Southern Hills - The rest of the course
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2007, 03:00:54 PM »
I love the series and am thrilled with the terrific job you're doing on the golf course.  Again, if you revive those threads as we get closer to the date, you'll see alot of participation.

tlavin

Re:Southern Hills - The rest of the course
« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2007, 03:06:31 PM »
Thanks for the post and for the others as well.  It's a generous bit of labor that we will all benefit from.  I think it looks like a terrific course and it certainly is a championship layout.  It does look like the course could afford to chop down several hundred trees, but we all know what a battle that is!

Garland Bayley

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Re:Southern Hills - The rest of the course
« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2007, 03:14:07 PM »
in the latest GD, Johnny Miller says "SH has as good a collection of par 4s as you'll find anywhere...Whatever SH lacks aesthetically, it more than makes up for in technical merit"

In the latest GD, Tiger also has great things to say about SH.

Thanks for the effort. I have been too busy with other things to follow these threads as closely as I would have liked, and as I did the Oakmont threads.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

George Pazin

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Re:Southern Hills - The rest of the course
« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2007, 03:17:04 PM »
Thanks for the threads.

I had two things going in my favor with the Oakmont series: 1) I did it during the winter, when more people are posting, not playing, and 2) in many ways, Oakmont is an easier story to tell - more folks on here have played it, it has the Open history with Hogan, Nicklaus, Miller, it has the Fownes mystique, it's had the recent deforestation program, etc.

I am really looking forward to the PGA, and, as many have suggested to me, I'd suggest you put together an opinion piece with links to the threads.

3 cheers for the fact that the PGA will be on CBS, not NBC.
Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04

tlavin

Re:Southern Hills - The rest of the course
« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2007, 04:05:35 PM »

3 cheers for the fact that the PGA will be on CBS, not NBC.

Amen, brother.  The NBC crew is wearing thin.  Miller's become a caricature and you hardly ever hear from Koch or Murphy.