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Tim Leahy

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Re:Spyglass: How many holes do you remember
« Reply #25 on: September 21, 2006, 11:53:21 AM »
I play Spyglass with a member... it costs $15.00 including cart. I must say I love it.

Bob, if you and your member friend ever need a fourth, call me! I can be there in two hours ;D ;D ;D At that rate I can afford the gas and Motel 6 and still get it in under Harding Park's nonresident rate.
I love golf, the fightin irish, and beautiful women depending on the season and availability.

Adam Clayman

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Re:Spyglass: How many holes do you remember
« Reply #26 on: September 21, 2006, 12:14:21 PM »
That's a good comparison. Using the market in Vegas as the absurdity in the maximazation of price. The company maybe looking a little piggish up here.

Bob, How many of the members try to get in the middle? ;D

Ryan, Are you so easily swayed? After reading Bob's post, you change your mind?

Well, in an effort to illustrate, I'll take issue with Bob's analysis.

#6, is a fine hole. It introduces the golfer to the challenges that now awaits. The entire green complex is one of the most guarded and severe. Therefore, accentuating the proper play, no matter how errant off the drive. I've seen wonderful pars made playing up the 1st fairway. How much more diverse can hole get?

#7, Granted, this hole should be viewed as a breather hole, but as with all good breathers, show one moment of any lack of respect and it will bite you. The LZ has certain complexities that make the decision to go for it in two, either risky, or, desirable. When I would try, I always preferred to play left side just past the bunkers where the land sloped contrary to the terrains grade, promoting a fade, taking the water out of play. Anything right of left center and the pull lie was dominate and a lay up was prudent.

#8 Is clearly one hole that everyone who loves GCA should appreciate as a great hole. It's simplicity is only negated by it's challenges. Which are usually amplified by ones fear.

#9 Admittedly could be considered standard fare, but with deep greenside bunkers and a tricky fun green, it only pales because of the quality already experienced.

#10 Is a bit tight, with the fairway tree left and hillside bunker right, but, it's green is a lesson in awareness because of it's subleties.

#11 dogs sharp right and is one of the most fun tee shots of the day. The second shot on 11 asks the question, "Who are you?" Are you willing to risk it all, with a slight pull lie, and trouble right. Or lay up to 110 and test your wedge. I've seen a two time us open winner give this green too much respect at the speed we played it that day. He knew something from past experience. What do you think that was?

Ok, I'll stop now with those.

Does anyone want to back up their opinions, with why any of these aspects don't qualify as quality?
"It's unbelievable how much you don't know about the game you've been playing your whole life." - Mickey Mantle

Bob_Huntley

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Re:Spyglass: How many holes do you remember
« Reply #27 on: September 21, 2006, 12:47:08 PM »
Adam,

Perhaps I was too dismissive of the holes you mentioned but seriously, don't you think No. 10 is anything other than an obstacle course? The tree in the middle of the fairway is just plain awful.

Bob

Adam Clayman

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Re:Spyglass: How many holes do you remember
« Reply #28 on: September 21, 2006, 01:15:26 PM »
Bob,
 I'll admit it's problematic, aweful, as you intend it, isn't really a factor, unless you are behind it. And when you are, I would recommend a play towards the front apron to escape with a good score.

#10's ubernarrowness is relatively new. I can remember the grass above, and beyond the LZ's rightside bunker as being usable as kickplate. But not anymore due to the length of the rough.
But in all honestly...
Blame the mindset of management, not the bones of this 40 year old.
"It's unbelievable how much you don't know about the game you've been playing your whole life." - Mickey Mantle

JESII

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Re:Spyglass: How many holes do you remember
« Reply #29 on: September 21, 2006, 03:19:13 PM »

Two of the dunes holes are PVGC inspired/copied (#2SH - #2PV and #4SH - #12PV) so of course they're good.  The rest of SH is mildly inspired hamburger helper.


Billy, Let's just say I focussed on the copied part of your "inspired/copied" line and you focussed on the inspired part. ;) The respective holes fit in the same blue print but play significantly different if my memory serves.

Next, are you really going to ask me why I think those first five holes are awesome. They are as unique a five holes as you'll find anywhere. Is there another par 5 similar to #1? Etc...

Can you explain the California Coastal Effect (CCE) to me?