Very OT: An Open Apology to Patrick Mucci

[mikes1160]

Tom,

Apparently, the years 1983-1995 have been stricken from your memory bank  

Jay,

Did not say anything about a pasting. But somehow, I don't think one game is going to define this team.  But if it makes your week, rock on......where the hell are you Pat?

[Tom Huckaby]

The odds of Mr. Mucci responding to this thread are not good.

 

And Mike, we both have our good and bad times in the past.  I'm sure you'd like to forget 1970-82, for example.  In any case I tend to live in the present... which is rather cardinal and gold colored, you must admit.

Gonna come up with some more silly uniforms this year?  Your record in green is pretty awful... I'd suggest pink maybe.

 

TH

[Tim Leahy]

The green jersey's worked pretty well in 1977 though didn't they? Ok this loss to Mich. goes into ND's embarassing file, I know South Central has one including the second half of the Texas game, Bush, Marijuanavich, OJ.........

[Jerry Kluger]

did you guys notice that Rutgers is 3-0 for the first time since the 19th century or it feels that long - past history indicates they will probably end the season with 3 wins.

[Bill_McBride]

....so run the table the Irish ought to

So speak like Yoda now we must?  

Methinks these threads on the Irish vs. USC too long have lasted......there is a Force in the galaxy stronger even than Tommy Trojan or the ghost of Knute Rockne.

[Andy Hughes]

I am shocked by all the attention lavished on football nobodies like Notre Dame and USC and Michigan, while the big football news from yesterday is ignored: Furman almost upended football titan UNC!
 

[Glenn Spencer]

Tom - which is worse:

Stanford or the Raiduhs?

Oh boy, that's a tough one.  My son's two teams.  He is suffering....

 

Not so fast my friend, I could have your son beat!! I also like the Raiders, but the kicker is I like the Hurricanes as well. Stanford-Miami would be quite the war of futility!!!

[Kyle Harris]

The Skunk Bears were good Saturday, but so was the vaunted Big 10 officiating crew (so far through two ND home games, 10 holds on the Irish, zero for PSU/UM)

No matter, we will take care of business against Sparty and the mind-numbing persona of John L. Smith. Then it's a run-the-table before we take on the Poodle and Co. Nov. 25th

Penn State had 3 holds and a phantom clipping call against them.

Try again.

[Tim Pitner]

The Skunk Bears were good Saturday, but so was the vaunted Big 10 officiating crew (so far through two ND home games, 10 holds on the Irish, zero for PSU/UM)

Mike,

You're kidding, right?  Notre Dame was never even in the game against Michigan and you're complaining about holding calls?  

[Tom Huckaby]

The green jersey's worked pretty well in 1977 though didn't they? Ok this loss to Mich. goes into ND's embarassing file, I know South Central has one including the second half of the Texas game, Bush, Marijuanavich, OJ.........

I believe the record in green jerseys is around 1-7.  So I guess I should be supporting you trotting them out again....

As for embarassment, of course both sides have such things.  But again the present on the field developments are rather one-sided.  

I'm sure it will turn around again at some point - sadly nothing does last forever.  But I am enjoying the present, oh yes I am.  I can understand if you Irish fans live in the past, as I say.  Your present does put the O in the word over-rated.

 

[Evan Fleisher]

From an AP story about the game:

For Notre Dame, the loss was another setback on its road to restore its storied program.

Where's that t-shirt again?  Oh yeah, here:



PS, no SC lover here, either.

PPS to Bill:  No worries about Saturday's Cal game...they turned off the jets at halftime...getting playing time for second line players.  How bout that Stanford home opener?

As a big-time fan of "The U"...who are now a repsectable 0-2 (not!!!!!) I really can't say shit...but that shirt is an absolute frikin' riot!  

You made my day...

[PThomas]

Huck, you are doing such a fine job of dissing the Irish that I don't even feel the need to chime in!

keep it up my friend!

and Patrick, hope you are well after the accident!

[Greg Tallman]

But is it really fair tomake fun of ND now? I mean they are playing acutal student athletes against all of those bought and paid for semi-pro teams.... er that's what some people contend.  

[PThomas]

But is it really fair tomake fun of ND now? I mean they are playing acutal student athletes against all of those bought and paid for semi-pro teams.... er that's what some people contend.  

absolutely yes it is....and there are plenty of other "clean" programs out there

having grown up on Chicago's South with too many overenthusiastic Irish fans during their heyday has permanently scarred me

their golf course isn't bad, though....

[peter_p]

As an Oregon State graduate, I must disclaim that I am waiting for the 2007 season to start. Notre Dame managed to tie the Ducks in Eugene a few years ago, but I don't think that Notre Dame would have won on Saturday even if they has imported the UO-OU crew in to officiate. MMaybe they can because they're available.
    The PAC-10 conference suspended the field crew, as well as the replay official for one game. That's too short. Not only did they botch who first touched the on-side kick, they also missed that Oklahoma recovered the ball in the scrum. I didn't know that until the local ABC affiliate showed some tape on today's news.
    I have some affinity for Notre Dame because Coach Leahy was our next door neighbor after he retired. And they roll over for OSU. And I played with a Notre Dame fan after the Fiesta Bowl and I need to find his card because he belongs to Chicago GC.
    Tom, on closer reading the accident was a while ago, happening before the qualifier, not the tournament.  

[Patrick_Mucci]

All I have to say about the "OU-OU" game (thats Oregon-Oklahoma for those of you scoring at home) is this:

The steelers got shafted by the refs last year vs. Indy...and that didnt stop them...

Are you going to equate the incidents.

The accurate and correct call gives OU the ball with little time left and OU runs out the clock and wins the game.

[Patrick_Mucci]

Interesting you should mention that Oregon-OK game, Jay.  Weren't some baying at the Pac-10 for how week it is?  Sure the SEC kicked the Pac-10 in the teeth, taking on our lesser lights... but the Big 12 found out what happened when they take on the GOOD Pac-10 teams.

Anyone who doesn't think that a horrible call at a critical time, resulting in the suspension of the officials who made the call, didn't determine the outcome of the O vs OU game is out of touch with reality.

As for ND, good lord I can't imagine what defense their fans might have... the team sure doesn't have any.

ND's first two games proved that they have a good defense.
The Michigan game wasn't determined by the defense, it was determined by the repetitive turnovers.

A ball bouncing off of a receivers hands/pads into the defenders hands who runs untouched into the EZ isn't the result of bad D.

You would know that if you had a football "mind"

Did you watch the entire game ?

[Patrick_Mucci]

As an Oregon State graduate, I must disclaim that I am waiting for the 2007 season to start. Notre Dame managed to tie the Ducks in Eugene a few years ago, but I don't think that Notre Dame would have won on Saturday even if they has imported the UO-OU crew in to officiate. MMaybe they can because they're available. [size=4x]

The PAC-10 conference suspended the field crew, as well as the replay official for one game. That's too short. Not only did they botch who first touched the on-side kick, they also missed that Oklahoma recovered the ball in the scrum. I didn't know that until the local ABC affiliate showed some tape on today's news.[/size]

I have some affinity for Notre Dame because Coach Leahy was our next door neighbor after he retired. And they roll over for OSU. And I played with a Notre Dame fan after the Fiesta Bowl and I need to find his card because he belongs to Chicago GC.

Tom, on closer reading the accident was a while ago, happening before the qualifier, not the tournament.  

correct

[Glenn Spencer]

All I have to say about the "OU-OU" game (thats Oregon-Oklahoma for those of you scoring at home) is this:

The steelers got shafted by the refs last year vs. Indy...and that didnt stop them...

Are you going to equate the incidents.

The accurate and correct call gives OU the ball with little time left and OU runs out the clock and wins the game.

The Steelers had time and a lead to help recover from the idiotic refs, the Sooners did not. The game was a travesty. Dan Fouts was commendable in saying that it was a horrible call even though he is a Duck. It was eerily similar to his call of the 2002-2003 Fiesta Bowl where Miami was robbed in the Desert.

[Tom Huckaby]

Patrick:

Well at least I give you partial credit for trying to respond here... but you get major wuss demerits for responding mostly about a game neither of us give much of a rats' ass about, and that's Oregon-Oklahoma.  But since you seem to be so into rankings and schedule strength, why don't you look at the USA Today poll right now and report how many ranked teams ND plays, as opposed to USC (besides each other). I see the score as 1 to 4.  Rationalization?  I can't wait for this....

 

As for the ND game, no I didn't watch it, other than to very much enjoy the first half as I spead through a Tivo replay.  I figured my time was better served watching competitive games.

Interesting you continue to trumpet a defense that gives up 47 points though.... and here I thought it was a team game... for my sake let's hope the Irish players point fingers at each other like you are.  Keep the faith, brother.

Oh, and by the way, you might want to teach the DBs how to actually guard a decent receiver.  If you think Manningham torched them, well.... USC has five of his quality.

 

[Tom Huckaby]

shivas:

You're right.  You're absolutely right.  This is indeed a waste of energy.  Exceedingly well-said.

TH

[mikes1160]

Shivas,

Your hatred of Notre Dame aside, the truth is (and you obviously know it) that Notre Dame football is relevant. Notre Dame football is up ratings wise, ND will most likely have a top five recruiting class next year (if not higher), and they grabbed Jimmy Clausen out of USC's backyard, the top rated college football prospect from the class of 2007.

Shivas doesn't mention that ND has not played Northwestern in 11 years (beating a hapless Ron Pawlus team) It's a shame ND can't face the 2006 Wildcats that gave their best against New Hampshire, a 1-AA powerhouse.

Notre Dame has taken exactly two Prop 48 athletes, during the Holtz era, whose grades probably wouldn't pass muster at ND today (part of the reason why Holtz probably left)

Shivas, you can hate Notre Dame, and you can rant about Notre Dame, but you can't deny that a LOT of people care about Notre Dame football, whether they are for them or against them.

[Tom Huckaby]

ND will most likely have a top five recruiting class next year (if not higher), and they grabbed Jimmy Clausen out of USC's backyard, the top rated college football prospect from the class of 2007.

Clausen didn't sign with USC because he knew he'd sit.  They are rather well-stocked at QB.  So while it would have been nice to get him so that ND or others didn't - I do believe he is the real deal - it doesn't hurt USC a lick not to get him.  He is the #1 listed recruit, but I feel pretty darn good we got numbers 2, 3 and 9.... #3 being one of Clausen's team-mates...

In any case, USC would love to try and steal recruits out of ND's backyard, and would... if any existed, that is.

 

[mikes1160]

Tom,

What do you determine ND's backyard to be? It would be roughly the same as their television coverage........nationwide  

[Tom Huckaby]

Tom,

What do you determine ND's backyard to be? It would be roughly the same as their television coverage........nationwide  

If you say so... and if so, well then USC has been stealing from ND's backyard for eons.