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Dan Grossman

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Re: Aerial of the Day #227 (and 228) - 18 Oct 2002
« Reply #25 on: October 18, 2002, 11:45:28 AM »
OK - I have #2, but I don't know anything
about it.  Anyone know about the course?

I hadn't even heard of this place.
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Scott_Burroughs

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Re: Aerial of the Day #227 (and 228) - 18 Oct 2002
« Reply #26 on: October 18, 2002, 12:50:16 PM »
#1 is the South course at Torrey Pines, in La Jolla, CA,
designed by Billy Bell.  Torrey Pines hosts the Buick
Invitational on the PGA Tour, where one round is played on
the North course.  The South course will host the 2008 U.S.
Open, after it was Reestified, and lengthened considerably to
a whopping 7607 yards with a CR of 78.1.

the web site is here:

http://www.torreypinesgolfcourse.com/


other clues include:

new "squiggly" bunkers refers to Rees Jones trademarks.

"Pine"

"Tori" Spelling, "Torii" Hunter, and Rams WR "Torry" Holt,
who starred at NC State near me.

two references to Mickleson's lost ball on the 17th(?) during
a playoff at the Buick recently.

I believe this is also where Craig "Stadler" played a shot from
his knees on a towel in front of the TV audience who caught
him on it.  I believe it violates an "improving your stance"
rule.

Popular area for "hang-gliding" off the cliffs.

"Longs for John Major reversed" must be "pines for Torrey[sic]"

Ewing, Iverson, Mutombo, and Harrington are all former
Georgetown "Hoyas" (prononuced like "Jolla").

from another thread, supposedly Doyen Tom Paul looks like
Andy Williams, whose name used to be attached to the PGA
Tournament here.  

"nude beach" lies below the cluffs here



#2 is The Shattuck GC, in Jaffrey, NH, designed by Brian
Silva.  Shattuck is reasonably known (apparently only by me)
as one of the hardest courses in the country for high
handicappers (bogey golfers, technically), due to it's 153
slope from the "only" 6764-yard back tees.  Only a handful of
courses in the country have slopes above 150 from the tips,
though 8 (not 7 as I said before) of them have been shown
as AOTDs.

The "king" of difficulty for bogey golfers is Ko'olau on Oahu,
in HI, which tips out at a 162 slope, though I heard that the
course has been softened since.

Previous AOTDs with 150+ slopes from tips:

Pine Valley -153
Blackwolf Run (River) - 151
Castle Pines -150
Desert Highlands -151
Kiawah (Ocean) - 152
Crosswater - 150
PGA West (TPC Stadium) - 150
Tobacco Road - 150 (though I think it's been reduced a little
via a re-rating from {I guess} changes made)

Marriott's Lagoon Legend is known for it's 152 slope

other courses (some of which will be AOTDs) with 150+
slopes include The Honors Course, La Paloma in AZ, Naples
National, 2 courses at Desert Mountain (Chiricahua and
Renegade), Jeff Brauer's Colbert Hills in KS, and Whistling
Straits (Straits course).

Interesting that 4 of the courses are Nicklaus designs and 5
are Pete Dye designs.

Ross's course at The Balsams Resort was my original choice
for a course in NH, but it's aerial was not good.  Could barely
make things out.


here's pics of Shattuck:

#1:

#5 (Speaking of rock outcroppings):

#6:

#12:


#11:

#17:


from the web site:

http://www.sterlinggolf.com/shattuck/index.htm


other clues include:

first AOTD from NH

"elite 150 slope club"

Silva was maligned for his Ross restoration of Wampanoag in
CT, but has since been hailed for  other Ross resorations.  He
is the "Raynor copier" architect at Black Creek in TN.

"big, green, smart athletes" = NH-based Ivy League
Darmouth U. sports team nickname, the "Big Green".

"Clayton Moore's equine companion = "Silver" (Silva).  Moore
played The Lone Ranger

popular food fish = haddock (sounds like Shattuck)

Rob Lowe and Jodie Foster played incestuous siblings in the
movie based on "John Irving's" "Hotel New Hampshire".

NH known for it's "granite" quarries.

does NH have high "taxes"?

Josiah Bartlett (2 t's) was the President of NH from 1790-
1794, when the title was changed to "Governor".  He was the
2nd person to sign the Declaration of Independence after
John Hancock.

Josiah Bartlet (1 t) is the fictional U.S. President from "The
West Wing", who hails from NH (where he was Governor).  
No doubt and inspiration from the original JB.

I don't get the connection to Shattuck from Alice Water's
organic restaurant, Chez Panisse.

Whew!
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JohnV

Re: Aerial of the Day #227 (and 228) - 18 Oct 2002
« Reply #27 on: October 18, 2002, 12:55:16 PM »
Scott,
I almost made it Maggie Thatcher, but I figured
that nobody would pine for her.  For those who
aren't up on British politics, the Conservative party
is known as the Tories.
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Mr. Dan Kelly

Re: Aerial of the Day #227 (and 228) - 18 Oct 2002
« Reply #28 on: October 18, 2002, 12:57:09 PM »
Scott --

NH has virtually no taxes!

No income tax, no sales tax (I believe).

Sounds like a Shivas haven.

State motto: "Live Tax-free or Die."
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THuckaby2

Re: Aerial of the Day #227 (and 228) - 18 Oct 2002
« Reply #29 on: October 18, 2002, 01:01:12 PM »
Scott:  Chez Panisse
is on Shattuck Ave.
in Berkeley, CA.

And personal pet peeve
of the day: slopes over
150 are stupid.  Just who
gets punished there?  The
bogey player.  Of course
he ought not to be playing
tees that have such slope,
so I suppose it's his own
fault he has a horrible day
there... but still, that is
overkill in the worst way.

TH
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Joe Hancock

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Re: Aerial of the Day #227 (and 228) - 18 Oct 2002
« Reply #30 on: October 18, 2002, 02:18:19 PM »
It's gonna suck to admit this, but at least I keep my password! I got #1 immediately because of the computer game "links 2000". No hints were needed.....

Joe
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Mike Benham

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Re: Aerial of the Day #227 (and 228) - 18 Oct 2002
« Reply #31 on: October 18, 2002, 03:41:33 PM »
Scott -

Thanks for the extra photo's of course #2 but the lights
in my building dimmed when they were downloaded ....

Mike
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Joe DialUp

Re: Aerial of the Day #227 (and 228) - 18 Oct 2002
« Reply #32 on: October 19, 2002, 05:12:27 AM »
Scott

With 1024x768-- TWO! full screens of blue alone on that
 first photo of Shattuck.

The bandwith po-lice are after you.

Do some work at work!  8)  Trim 'em down!
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