[Patrick_Mucci]

that modern day architects are reluctant to do ?

[Brad Tufts]

Fill in wetlands, without the intention of creating new ones to offset the loss.

[Ryan Farrow]

Leave rocks on the site and throw soil down over them creating interesting contours.

[JESII]

hide the targets. be they greens or fairways. for that matter, even hazards, including bunkers.

[Tim Taylor]

Drink a lot and die destitute and lonely? Just kidding ...

Wetlands would have been my first response but since Brad already took it...

I'll say something they did ... build walkable routings ... and add something they didn't have to do ... route cart paths.

Tim

[Michael Moore]

Build holes that don't look nice.

Write incomprehensible prose.

[Kyle Harris]

Leave the bulldozer in the yard, shut off.

Build, instead of dig.

[Jeff_Brauer]

Am I dreaming to think you have answer in mind Pat?  Or is it an open question?If this was Tom MacWood asking, I would answer:

"Openly criticise other architects"....

I do like the "write incomprehensible prose" reply, though. Truer words were never spoken or written!

[Patrick_Mucci]

Jeff  Brauer,

I do have a specific answer in mind and noone has come close to it yet.

[Dan Moore]

Build green slopes 3% or greater.  

[ForkaB]

Build hazards for the hackers?

Use strategery?

Worship at the feet of Capability Brown and Gertrude Jekyll?

[Dan Moore]

Leave humps and bumps in the fairways that cart riders hate.  

[BCrosby]

Design the courses they wanted to design.

[Kyle Harris]

Played golf.

[Jeff_Brauer]

Write books?

Call themselves "Golden Agers?"

Drink on the job?

Take Trains?

Entrust the work to total strangers?

Take on international partners to cover a whole continent?

Work for free?

Consult other architects?

Send instructions via telegraph?

pose with their fancy cars on their newest project?

what, WHAT, WHAT!?

[wsmorrison]

One thing many classic age architects did that modern architects don't seem to do is advertise.  Some of the advertisements were accurate  

[Patrick_Mucci]

Don't think in terms of specific features.

Think of a more global issue.

[George Pazin]

Turn down poor sites?

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Whoever said fill in wetlands without trading off:

I don't think modern guys are reluctant to fill them in, I think they are forbidden by law, at least the vast majority of the time.

[Patrick_Mucci]

OK,

Take a break and take your dunce caps off.

Hint

Quaker Ridge & Winged Foot

Piping Rock & The Creek

Cherry Valley & Garden City

Crestmont & Essex Fells & Essex County & Montclair

LACC & Riviera & Bel-Air

Green Valley & Manufacturers

[JESII]

Well, since the answer is on the board but noone has jumped on it yet.....

What is....produce two or more courses in close geographic proximity, Alex err, Patrick?

[wsmorrison]

Flynn's design (D), redesign (R), construction (C) and agronomic (A) work within a 20-mile radius of Philadelphia:

Green Valley D
Manufacturers D
Philadelphia Country D
Philadelphia Cricket R
Merion East R,D (1,2,8,10-14)
Merion West D
Rolling Green D
Huntingdon Valley D
North Hills R
Gulph Mills A
Sunnybrook R (complete)
Pine Valley A,C, (D?)
Concord D
Bala C,D
Doylestown D
McCall Field R,D
Plymouth D
Springhaven R
Woodcrest D
Whitemarsh Valley R

A bit further afield from Philadelphia:

Atlantic City R,D
Springdale R
Harrisburg D
Lancaster D
Lehigh D
Seaview Pines D
Eagles Mere Old D
Eagles Mere New D
Sunnehanna R

Flynn probably did some work of some kind (likely construction and/or redesign) at:

Philmont C?, R?
Phoenixville C?


Does Tillinghast in a similar NY metro area or anyone else come close to this amound of regional work?

[JESII]

Wayne,

That's pretty incredible if you ask me.

Care to mark what on that list is complete design work as opposed to construction or agronomic centered? I'm sure you've done this many times on here but that list is really incredible in it's magnitude in such a small area.

By the way, is that the right answer Pat?

[wsmorrison]

I noted the type of work in the above post.  It is an incredible concentration of work.  Other areas where Flynn's work was concentrated and the number of courses were in Chicago (3), Denver (2) and Cleveland (3) and by larger geographical region:  DC/MD/VA (14), Florida (7) and NY (4).

Good luck at Applebrook.  Hope to see you on Thursday.

[Patrick_Mucci]

JES II,

It's that the "Classic" or "Golden Age" architects were willing to design and build courses virtually on top of each other.

They were willing to design and build a course, and then design and build another nearby, and yet another in the same neighborhood, as well as many in the same region.

Today's architects seem either reluctant to do so, or don't have the opportunity presented.*

* I'm aware of Nicklaus's efforts at The Bear's Club and The Ritz Carlton.

The "old timers" didn't seem to mind offering competing products in close proximity to one another, something that seems to be looked down upon by others today.

Nicklaus took a good deal of criticism for designing and building The Bear's Club, an expensive entry club, and then building The Ritz Carlton on adjacent property.

Bill Coore stated that he wouldn't design and build a similar "use" club close to another one of their designs.

Is it the golfing culture in the U.S. that frowns upon building a nearby course designed by the same architect ?

Or, is it the architects who don't want another of their designs too close to one another ?

Or, is it the opportunity that's lacking ?

It seems an odd contrast.
One generation seemed anxious to build as many golf courses as they could irrespective of the proximity to one another, and another generation seems reluctant to have their courses rub elbows with one another.

[RJ_Daley]

I think it is the market of golfers that are concentrated (or were in the so-called golden age).  Add to that, the smaller numbers of actual architects in competition.  And, if they travelled to a specific region away from their homes, and made arrangements to stay and work with a new crew, why not make the most of your time and build a couple in that area where the game was growing?  

Now, there are too many archies, not enough golfers, and too many courses concentrated in areas, or areas that you can't afford land to build, IMHO.

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