Jim himself and Tim Hartnett both think that 10 and 17 are their faves on the whole course. After I saw the holes, I agreed. 10 has a pushed up green that repels low approaches into the devilish shaved chipping areas. From the tee, the beckons like a siren, but the tee shot must carry the bunkers AND negitiate the fairway contours. The closer you get to the green, the more hurly burly the surrounds. Otherwise its 5-wood, wedge. 3 or 6...it depends on if you execute. Risk - reward...much more interesting than 10 at Red Hawk which is prettier, but not as sexy form an architecture standpoint.