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david h. carroll

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Are the green complexes on the Short Course at PVGC Fazio's best?
« on: August 21, 2006, 01:50:35 PM »
I was amazed at how good they were and how they remind me of nothing like any other Fazio greens I've seen....great greens within greens, countours, slopes, integration into the land, etc.

Are they good only because he copied what was done on the big course or is this kind of work actually in him?
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JESII

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Re:Are the green complexes on the Short Course at PVGC Fazio's best?
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2006, 02:27:18 PM »
He may very well have this kind of stuff in him, but the work on the majority of those holes are really just copies of what's on the big course.
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cary lichtenstein

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Re:Are the green complexes on the Short Course at PVGC Fazio's best?
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2006, 02:37:54 PM »
How about the green complex's at Galloway and  Sage Valley?
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Jim Franklin

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Re:Are the green complexes on the Short Course at PVGC Fazio's best?
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2006, 03:32:20 PM »
Cary -

I told DC that Sage Valley had some pretty interesting greens as well as Dallas National and Victoria National. Faz has it in him, he just doesn't always let it out. It has been such a long time since I played Galloway that I need to get back.
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Jon Wiggett

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Re:Are the green complexes on the Short Course at PVGC Fazio's best?
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2006, 03:32:48 AM »
Quote from: JES II on August 21, 2006, 02:27:18 PM
He may very well have this kind of stuff in him, but the work on the majority of those holes are really just copies of what's on the big course.

Do you mean a 1 to 1 copy? If so then your disdain maybe justified. If however you mean he has copied the style and feel of the main course then this would seem to me to be the reason for such a small course , to give players a taste of the main course
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JESII

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Re:Are the green complexes on the Short Course at PVGC Fazio's best?
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2006, 11:16:46 AM »
Jon,

I have no disdain for Tom Fazio, especially as related to the short course at Pine Valley. The answer to your question though is that 7 or 8 of the 10 holes on the short course are copies of holes on the big course, and intended to be as close as possible. In that sense I would say they did a hell of a job because the similarities go right down to the shrubbery, and tiny little bunkers PV is known for.
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A.G._Crockett

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Re:Are the green complexes on the Short Course at PVGC Fazio's best?
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2006, 01:29:23 PM »
Somewhere has to be...
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Jon Wiggett

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Re:Are the green complexes on the Short Course at PVGC Fazio's best?
« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2006, 01:32:46 PM »
Quote from: JES II on August 23, 2006, 11:16:46 AM
Jon,

I have no disdain for Tom Fazio

JES II,

I never said you did
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JESII

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Re:Are the green complexes on the Short Course at PVGC Fazio's best?
« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2006, 02:26:29 PM »
Quote from: Jon Wiggett on August 24, 2006, 01:32:46 PM
Quote from: JES II on August 23, 2006, 11:16:46 AM
Jon,

I have no disdain for Tom Fazio

JES II,

I never said you did

That's fine, your response #4 seemed to imply that though. No worries.
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