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JR Potts

Medinah...through some of the players' eyes
« on: August 15, 2006, 08:10:24 AM »
http://www.suntimes.com/output/sports/cst-spt-pga15.html

Notice the Klein and Shackelford mentions.

Phil Benedict

Re:Medinah...through some of the players' eyes
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2006, 08:16:33 AM »
I don't think fun is high on the list of qualities the pros are looking for.  It's a business to them.  Their first priority in evaluating a course is how it suits their game.
« Last Edit: August 15, 2006, 08:52:05 AM by Phil Benedict »

Adam Clayman

Re:Medinah...through some of the players' eyes
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2006, 08:33:27 AM »
Ryan,

You should listen to your solicitor.

Holding up a Sun-Times columnist/reporter to Brad and Geoff, illustrates a real level of sophistication.

 ;)


"It's unbelievable how much you don't know about the game you've been playing your whole life." - Mickey Mantle

Mike_Sweeney

Re:Medinah...through some of the players' eyes
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2006, 08:43:26 AM »
"In going with Jones for the latest, massive remaking of the course, the club brought an end to periodic tinkering with the layout. Frigo said the club is delighted with Jones' results.

''Now it feels like it's one golf course,'' Frigo said. ''Jones is now our gatekeeper. No changes can be made without his approval.''

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I would be curious if Tom MacWood, Brad and Geoff and others agreed with this philosophy of 'one theme'. Okay it is not news that Rees Jones is not loved here, but not knowing a thing about Medinah, I agree with the one theme concept.

« Last Edit: August 15, 2006, 08:43:56 AM by Mike Sweeney »

PThomas

Re:Medinah...through some of the players' eyes
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2006, 09:04:58 AM »
for one thing, Mr. Ziehm's reference to low scores in the Open is flat out wrong:  287, plus 3, got into the playoff!
199 played, only Augusta National left to play!

Dan Moore

Re:Medinah...through some of the players' eyes
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2006, 09:55:27 AM »
You think maybe Mr. Ziehm is a lurker?   ;)
"Is there any other game which produces in the human mind such enviable insanity."  Bernard Darwin

tlavin

Re:Medinah...through some of the players' eyes
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2006, 10:07:30 AM »
Ryan,

You should listen to your solicitor.

Holding up a Sun-Times columnist/reporter to Brad and Geoff, illustrates a real level of sophistication.

 ;)




Len Ziehm has been covering golf in Chicago for more than twenty years and he has NEVER held himself out as an armchair golf course architecture critic.  In this piece, he didn't give the reader a single sentence of analysis; he only reported the critical remarks and found some players to disagree and put the struggles that the club had with "amateur architects" into a factual context.

Here's what two players said:

Instead, players refuted the course's critics after the first day of official practice rounds.

''That's crap,'' Ian Poulter said. ''It's a great golf course. It has a lot of definition. It sets up quite well to my eye.''

Jim Furyk, who won both the U.S. Open and Western Open since finishing eighth in the 1999 PGA at Medinah before the renovation, lauded Jones' changes.

''I liked the golf course when we played it in '99,'' Furyk said. ''Some holes are longer now, but so are we. I saw some significant changes in some of the greens, and I like the change in design. It's a wonderful layout.''

Neither Furyk nor Poulter is an architect or a golf course architecture critic, but they are well qualified to render the opinions that they stated.  Let's just be blunt about this little controversy: The purists loathe Medinah for personal and esoteric reasons that are lost on the general population and much of the touring professionals.  

Doesn't mean that the pros are right and it doesn't mean that the purists are right.  It just means that there is a difference of opinion.  We're in America, right?

Phil Benedict

Re:Medinah...through some of the players' eyes
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2006, 05:11:56 PM »
I just listened to Tiger's pre-tournament press conference and he also likes Medinah.  Maybe that's not surprising since he won there in '99.

If you ever listen to one of these sessions from start to finish, it's amazing how stupid the questions get.  If anything drives Tiger out of the game early, the inanity of the press might be it.  You can just see him roll his eyes at some of the questions.  

Craig Sweet

Re:Medinah...through some of the players' eyes
« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2006, 07:47:24 PM »
Didn't Tiger say its a totally different course than when they played the last major there?

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