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Brad Swanson

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More Erin Hills Coverage
« on: August 01, 2006, 02:56:04 PM »

Scott_Burroughs

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Re:More Erin Hills Coverage
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2006, 03:14:04 PM »
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Lang knows the USGA well enough to understand that it won't hold a tournament on a course that has a blind par-3, even if it's one the best holes on the course.

The par-3 7th at Erin Hills is inspired by the famous blind par-3 at Lahinch in Ireland. Erin Hills' 7th sits in a natural fold of land; all golfers see from the tee is a white rock on a ledge about 30 feet above the green. The hole tests how much one trusts his or her swing, because golfers are told simply to aim at the white rock. The hillside leading down to the green will kick most balls toward the putting surface.

"It was cool," said Howell, who added that the 7th was his favorite hole on the course. "It was just different. We don't play those."

To make sure Erin Hills stayed tournament-ready, Lang had another par-3 built between the ninth green and 10th tees -- the 19th hole. It's no bargain, either. At 161 yards, it's the shortest of the par-3s, but the elevated green is surrounded by a bunch of nasty-looking bunkers.

I didn't read the 19th hole thread recently, but I guess this is the "true" explanation for the 19th hole at Erin Hills....to replace the Dell Hole for USGA play.  

As for the above statement about no blind par 3's....kinda sad, but is it "officially" true?  Or just "off the record" true?

Dan Moore

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Re:More Erin Hills Coverage
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2006, 03:26:02 PM »
The extra hole gives them an option.  What actually happens remains to be seen.
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wsmorrison

Re:More Erin Hills Coverage
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2006, 03:27:34 PM »
Tom Paul and I spent the day with Mike Hurdzan.  We discussed many topics, including the golf architecture archive and research center at the USGA.  One of the many interesting topics was the Erin Hills course and the USGA consideration of it.  The club was allocated a tournament halfway through construction.  Listening to Mike talk about the course and his influences, seeing photos and drawings and learning of the grasses and maintenance practices, it is high on my list of courses to see in the future. Congratulations on an interesting design and thinking outside the typical box.

By the way, Mike's collection of balls, clubs, memorabilia and the like is extraordinary.  The lengths he went to building a climate/fire/water controlled environment is incredible but seeing the collection, it is gratifying to know the material is safeguarded.  Well done, Doctor!

Dan Moore

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Re:More Erin Hills Coverage
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2006, 03:33:51 PM »
Wayne,

There has been some preliminary discussion about a GCA Lawsonia/Erin Hills outing for next Fall.  They are about 75 minutes from each other.  
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JR Potts

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Re:More Erin Hills Coverage
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2006, 04:07:44 PM »
Has there been an EH review posted yet?  I'm playing it on September 13th but I'm sure someone has already played it.

Steve_ Shaffer

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Re:More Erin Hills Coverage
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2006, 04:33:42 PM »
Ryan

How about a review from PGA Pro Steve Stricker?

Story Date: 2006-Jul-23 at 02:23:58
By Gary D'Amato
NATURAL WONDER: Erin Hills provides a major test for Stricker


Town of Erin, Jul. 23, 2006 (Knight Ridder/Tribune Business News delivered by Newstex) --
After just six holes at Erin Hills Golf Course, Steve Stricker was 2 over par and had faced approach shots of 195 and 212 yards on par-4s, not to mention a 251-yard par-3 that played into the wind.

Stricker turned to course owner Bob Lang and grinned.

"When do the hard holes start, Bob?" he asked.

Like most golfers in Wisconsin, the Madison-based Stricker, a three-time winner on the PGA Tour, had heard much about Erin Hills, the rough-and-tumble public course modeled after the classic links courses of Scotland and Ireland.

The course, designed by Hurdzan / Fry Golf Course Design Inc., in collaboration with Ron Whitten, is scheduled to open to the public Aug. 1.

A national buzz has been building since the United States Golf Association awarded the 2008 U.S. Women's Amateur Public Links Championship to Erin Hills. Never before had a course been selected to host a USGA championship before it opened.

Erin Hills already is being talked about as a potential U.S. Open venue, and after playing it Friday, Stricker understood why.

"A lot of holes remind me of Shinnecock (Hills)," he said. "That's what Bob said the USGA told him, too. Some holes just have that U.S. Open look. It's like nothing I've ever seen in our state."

Stricker and his father-in-law and swing coach, Dennis Tiziani, accepted Lang's invitation to play a round at Erin Hills before it opened. They tackled the course from the black tees, or approximately 7,824 yards. That is about 400 yards longer than the typical major championship venue.

Experimenting on some holes with a 46-inch Titleist driver that he has not yet put in his bag for competition, Stricker shot a 3-over-par 75 with four bogeys and one birdie.

"It's a tough course," he said.

All four par-5 holes were longer than 600 yards and Stricker was unable to get home in two on any of them, although he did hit a 3-wood second shot just short of the green on the 615-yard 14th.

On six of the 10 par-4 holes, he had 190 or more yards into the green for his second shots. He had to hit a 3-wood from 221 on the 496-yard ninth, which played into the wind.

Erin Hills recently was laser-measured and rated by the Wisconsin State Golf Association and the numbers are staggering. From the tips, it measures 8,266 yards. The course rating, which reflects the score a scratch handicap golfer would be expected to shoot on his best day, is 79.9.

By way of comparison, the course rating from the back tees at Whistling Straits, site of the 2004 PGA Championship and the 2007 U.S. Senior Open, is 76.7.

From the other sets of tees, Erin Hills can be played by mere mortals. It measures 7,112 yards from the blue tees, 6,544 from the green, 5,434 from the yellow and 4,543 from the red.

But it wasn't the sheer length that most impressed Stricker about Erin Hills.

He could scarcely believe the natural ruggedness of the terrain and the fact that dirt was moved on only four holes during construction of the course. Fairways flanked by tall native grasses wind through glacial dunes, and greens are perched atop eons-old ridges and mounds.

"It's unbelievable," he said. "It's such a natural-looking place. It's amazing how the land is cut naturally like this and how it looks like a golf course should be here."

Tiziani agreed.

"I think it's great," he said. "It's hard to believe this is the way the land was. You would think this came out of some graphic design CAD system. It's certainly everything that I heard it was."

Stricker and Tiziani praised the A-4 bentgrass greens, which are still growing in but already are rolling at about 7½ to 8 feet on the Stimpmeter. They asked a lot of questions about the fescue fairways, how Erin Hills would be maintained and how it would play when it grew in and matured.

"It is a links course and I hope they play it like a links," Stricker said. "It should be a little brown and it should be firm because you have the length here where you can put (the tees) way back and then you need a little roll. And the fairways need to be short, with good firmness to them.

"It should be a little brown. People would need to get used to that look. All the links courses I've ever played in Scotland, it's usually firm and fast and a little brown. They have the same grass here and that's the way it's supposed to be."

Stricker said some touring professionals might have a problem with a couple blind shots on the course, particularly on the 201-yard seventh hole, inspired by the famous Dell hole at Lahinch in Ireland. He also thought four 600-yard par-5 holes might be excessive.

"I think if you were able to get up by the green on some of the par-5s, go for it in two and maybe get it on, it would be good to bring that element into play," he said.

But he said Erin Hills exceeded his expectations.

"It's fantastic," he said.
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JR Potts

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Re:More Erin Hills Coverage
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2006, 04:47:37 PM »
Thanks!

wsmorrison

Re:More Erin Hills Coverage
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2006, 05:00:55 PM »
Dan,

That sounds very interesting.  I need a reason to see that area and a GCA get together sounds very tempting.

Jim Dawson

Re:More Erin Hills Coverage
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2006, 06:02:45 PM »
I will be playing it on the 13th and will post some pictures.
Thanks,
JD

RJ_Daley

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Re:More Erin Hills Coverage
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2006, 06:43:01 PM »
Mr. Lang sounds like one hell of a champion for golf.  A self described hack, yet a populist, with a passion that is setting a great stewardship example for those that develop or have developed courses available to the public at large.  

Not unlike our own Jim Thompson, these guys have a commitment to a quality of golf that is steeped in classic design and reverent to the core principles of the game.

I hope Mr. Lang becomes aware of GCA.com and interested to jump in on the forum sometime inorder to give us the benefit of some of his ideas.  

Ran seems quite serious to have the fall 2007 gathering to include Lawsonia and something else in this Wisconsin area.  Perhaps when some of our regulars drop in to experience Erin Hills this coming fall, they might continue to mention to Mr. Lang that this GCA.com group would be a great cross section of golfers to put the course to a critical exam.  Maybe if we can put enough folks together (72) he'd give us a shotgun morning or afternoon start and everyone get the Wisconsin Res fee.   ;) ;D
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