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Dan Moore

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Erin Hills Routing/Hole by Hole Description
« on: July 14, 2006, 08:39:19 PM »
Since I grew up about 45 minutes from Erin Hills and am familiar with the dramatic terrain in that area of the Kettle Moraine, I have been eagerly anticipating the opening of Erin Hills.  Thanks to Peter Balistrieri who lives near Erin Hills we now have a hole by hole description of the course.  Peter has observed the construction and grow-in and has been lucky enough to play a few holes.  He sent me the following description by email earlier today.  John Foley agreed I could add hole numbers to his aerial.  Thanks Peter and John.  

The hole numbering is based on Peter's description.  Hopefully I have it right.  



Here is Peter's Hole by Hole description.    

1 - Dog leg left par 5 hole reaches a bottle neck just before the bend and the bottle neck is sandwiched by a tree to the left and a trap to the right. uphill blind second shot through this bottle neck but it's wide open over the trap.  Down hill approach to a bunker-less green. [hole plays due south]
 
2 - par 4 drive must start over a large hill on the left in order to see the green on the second shot.  safe drives to the right must deal with a blind second shot due to another hill on the right.  tiny turtle back green with all errant shots rolling away. single pot bunker on the right. [west]
 
3 - par 4 elevated tee shot beautiful vista, tamarack forest on the left. uphill second shot to a green that is pitched from back to front and left to right. [continues west]
 
4 - par 4 narrow landing area punch bowl green framed on left by rugged forest [not in play. [north]
 
5 - very long par 4 second shot is blind only because the undulation is so severe. bunker short left and amphitheater surround to the green. [east]
 
6 - par 3 false front green [deep green] straight away, modest bunkering [continues east]
 
7 - par 3 dell hole, green angles front left to deep right.  Whitten rock will note the pin placement on each day.  This hole will likely be skipped for any USGA events. [west]
 
8 -  par 4 up hill approach to green framed by some trees in the back [continues west]
 
9 - long long par 4 could be par 5 if 14 is made a par 4 - dog leg left massive undulation is carried off the tee. elevated green protected by bunkering on the left 20 yds short of  green.  This WAS 18 before it was switched with the current 18 [they run parallel to each other before the dog leg] so the bye hole follows 9 but the 10th can be accessed by passing by the bye hole to be played after the round.  This may clear up some confusion as to why the bye hole is located after the 9th green.  It was originally located after the 18th.
[starts east and turns north]
 
bye hole - down hill par 3 raised green and is surrounded by rugged bunkering [turns south] will likely be number 9 for the open if the dell hole isn't used. which will be perfect routing since the 10th tee is located just after the this green.  
 
10 - super long uphill par 5. only view of water is the irrigation pond on the right that is not at all in play.  biarritz [sp?] green 60 yards front to back. [north]
 
11 - par 4 down hill drive. undulation feeds drives left. only green on course [besides the bye and maybe 15] that needs to carry bunkers to get to green.  all other greens allow for a run up. [south]
 
12 - par 4 slight dog leg right down hill approach to a green that is guarded by a large tree on the right.  green feeds away from the tree. [west]
 
13 - par 3 large green elevated tee [slight] [back east north east]
 
14 - par 5 [par 4?] up hill zig zag hole with elevated green that has a false front on the right side that feeds down into a 15 foot drop off.  green framed in back by trees
[west]
 
15 - par 4 drive-able raised green that drops off to the right.  slight bend in hole from right to left.  irons off tee to the right because of large tree on left.  leaves uphill wedge to raised green protected by bunkers. [west]
 
16 - par 3 - remember little about this hole unfortunately.  Raised tee [east]
 
17 - par 4 dog leg left hole slight bend left.  green is only in view after tee shots.  large undulations short and left of green. don't remember any bunkers around the green. [east]
 
18 - par 5 finish.  drives may find single pot bunker in center of fairway. second shots play to the right for a 3rd shot that can be run up on the right of the green or need to carry a severe bunker on the left of the green. [east]
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Phil McDade

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Re:Erin Hills Routing/Hole by Hole Description
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2006, 09:33:24 PM »
Dan:

Great post; interesting map and routing.

Where exactly is the bypass hole? Is it in that green triangular area in between 9 green, 11 green and 10 tee?

If 8 plays as a par 4, and the 9th is a par 3 (bypass hole), and 14 plays as a par 4, then the nines are 35-37 for par of 72? Do I have that right? 8 as a par 5 and 14 as a par 4 makes it a more conventional 36-36, yes? (Course numbering assumes not playing Whitten's 7 for USGA events as you stated.)

That's a beautiful corner of Wisconsin; can't wait to see the course.

Brad Swanson

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Re:Erin Hills Routing/Hole by Hole Description
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2006, 12:09:47 AM »
Dan,
   Thanks for posting the routing map.  I look forward to having a looksee in person sometime soon.

Cheers,
Brad

Dan Moore

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Re:Erin Hills Routing/Hole by Hole Description
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2006, 08:57:10 PM »
Phil

The bye hole was not built yet when this aerial was made.  The tee would be to the right of the 9th tee and proceed sse to near the 10th tee.  

Peter Balistrieri has been fortunate enough to be one of the few to play Erin Hills.  Here is his story of how he came to be invited to tour the site and play the course prior to opening.  He also played the back nine today and has updated his prior description.  

Here is Peter's story.  

"Bob Lang the owner had been interviewed on a local Sunday radio show [about golf] and invited anyone who wanted to take a look at the grounds to come out on Sunday's and walk the property.  Sunday was the day that the crews had off.
 
I had already taken a tour [after the course was seeded] that I arranged just from staying in touch with people involved in the project.  So from the time I heard his open invite I would run out there on various Sunday's and look around to see how the grown in was doing and get acclimated to the holes.  One day I decided to bring my putter and ball so I could putt the greens.  On the 14th green there was a guy on a tractor that stopped and waved,...he came over to say hi and it was Bob Lang.  We spoke for a good 20 - 25 minutes and he invited me back whenever I wanted.  When I thanked him again a few days later I asked if I could bring more than my putter with me and he said yes.  
 
I just was there to play the back 9 today and ended up finishing the 18th hole with Bob and two other gentlemen.  So I am the benefit if Bob's gracious invitation.  He is a very friendly and generous guy.

 
Speaking of which I wanted to give you an update on some of the holes on the back 9.
 
11 - you CAN run the ball up on the left side.  it is narrow and the ball will feed to the right if it is executed properly.  I had originally stated that you had to fly traps to hit this green.  That isn't the case.  There are traps left and right but the green isn't surrounded in front like I suggested.
 
12 - shots on the left side of fairway will have a hard time seeing the green.  little trap hiding under the big tree on the right side of the green.
 
13 - Elevated tee and elevated green.  forced carry over vegatation.  large bunker on the left side of green. front, rear and right side of green is all mown grass and drops off on all sides.  old fashion style.
 
14 - will be par 5 meaning 9 is a par 4 [35 out 37 in].  to the right of the false front on the right side is a trap.  Like 18 this fairway features a small bunker in the center
 
15 - tree on left doesn't come into play on tee shots.  large landing area on the right.   elevated green that is well bunkered will accept a run up,...but it is so elevated that no one should try it [further clariificaton on my previous ground game statements about bye hole 11, and 15]
 
16 - slightly up hill hole.  large hill on left blocks the view off the tee for the left side of the green.  trap short left.  aiming over this trap will mean tee shots will bank off this large downslope and feed into this narrow but long [almost rectangular] two teired green.  green is angled short right to deep left [redan?]
 
17 - no green side bunkers. diagonal undulations take short approaches and kicks them right."  
 
Here is some additional information Peter sent me a few days ago.  

"The entire course is undulated but not in the fake bumpy sense.  it is large and sweeping.  on some holes the undulations are so large that are play like up hill blind shots because the bump is bigger than the width of the hole.  The bunkers are shaped similar to Sand Hills and Pine Valley.  No large continuous bunkers like PV but the shaping of the edges are just as rugged as those found at SH and PV.  The bunkering philosophy here is that the bunker is a hazzard and should play like one.  There aren't a ton of them but you need to avoid them.  They aren't catastrophic but they aren't the easy manicured perfect lie bunkers that populate american golf courses.  The land is similar to pictures of shinnecock but with more aggressive elevations changes.  let me know if you have any further questions."  
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Mike McGuire

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Re:Erin Hills Routing/Hole by Hole Description
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2006, 09:36:34 PM »
"played it " today.  

Snapped a lot of pictures. Will post soon. Management wants feedback. Critical comments wanted.

ed_getka

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Re:Erin Hills Routing/Hole by Hole Description
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2006, 04:04:55 PM »
Mike,
   I will be in the area in a few weeks, is the course ready for play or should I wait until next year?
"Perimeter-weighted fairways", The best euphemism for containment mounding I've ever heard.

Dan Moore

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Re:Erin Hills Routing/Hole by Hole Description
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2006, 11:30:22 AM »
Steve Stricker recently played Erin Hills from the 7,800 yd tees and shot 3 over.  The course has been rated 79.9 from the tips.  

Stricker has some interesting comments on the course, the terrain, the need to keep the fescue fairways brownish, firm and fast, and how it reminds him of Shinnecock.

He says its fantastic.

Stricker on Erin Hills
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RJ_Daley

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Re:Erin Hills Routing/Hole by Hole Description
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2006, 02:25:54 PM »
Thanks for the link Dan.  I sure hope we get those photos posted by Mike.  I wouldn't be surprised it the management asked not to post pics at this point, however.  Given, it has already gotten plenty of hype, any near grow-in photos that show it as a bit under grown-in might not be flattering, yet.  

Shooter was trying to get up there this weekend, but I haven't heard from him since he told me.  I hope he did fit it in and had a camera... ;D
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Scott_Burroughs

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Re:Erin Hills Routing/Hole by Hole Description
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2006, 03:51:41 PM »
Mike,
   I will be in the area in a few weeks, is the course ready for play or should I wait until next year?

Ed,

The course is slated to open Aug 1, so it should be open then.  This course should be popular, so I'd call now to try to find a tee time w/room for a single.

Brad Swanson

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Re:Erin Hills Routing/Hole by Hole Description
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2006, 04:22:41 PM »
From the "latest buzz" section of the Erin Hills website.

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If you are looking for a pristine, manicured golf course…a carpeted modern clubhouse…house lined fairways…then Erin Hills is simply not for you.  Erin Hills is a natural, challenging, rough and rugged link-style golfing experience.

Not your typical golf course marketing material.  I sure hope I get an opportunity to get a look in the next couple of weeks.

Cheers,
Brad

Jeff Peterson

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Re:Erin Hills Routing/Hole by Hole Description
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2006, 04:44:11 PM »
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Snapped a lot of pictures. Will post soon. Management wants feedback. Critical comments wanted.

Mike, it's been eight days -- that's pushing the limits of "soon"!  

(Just giving you a hard time -- I suspect RJ's correct and management is hoping to "embargo" details before the opening).