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Tom Doak's Worst Holes - Barbeque the "Sacred Cow"
Tim Pitner:
I've only played Pacific Dunes and Ballyneal. I certainly don't hate the hole, but my least favorite hole on these two courses is probably Ballyneal #9. I didn't like how the fairway pinched in and practically made you hit 3 wood. It seemed a little forced to me. Of course, I ignored the prudent play, hit driver both times I played the hole, went left once and right once, and made double bogey both times. I showed him.
Thomas_Brown:
I've played 4 of Doak's courses:
Apache
Stonewall
Pac Dunes
Stone Eagle
I thought 2 short par 5's #8, #16 at Apache were a bit of a letdown. Both try to be strategic. Both greens are fairly interesting and unique. #16 is too constraining on the tee shot. #8 is meant to be a somewhat featureless 4 1/2 par - constrained by minimalism?
I like the #10 teeshot at AS.
Tommy - I can't fathom how it could beat 5, 6, 13, 14, 15, or 17 out there, but I'm not a big punchbowl guy.
Stone Eagle has a few shots that are forgettable.
Chris Burgard:
--- Quote from: Tom_Doak on July 14, 2006, 04:57:02 PM ---Chris: The 18th at High Pointe is in a class by itself. Played there on Monday with two associates, match in the balance, all three of us hit it into the water on 18, I preserved my victory with a tough two-putt 7.
I'll stay off this thread for a while to see what everyone says. Mr. Naccarato will probably argue with you about the 10th at Apache Stronghold, so watch your back -- I think it was his favorite hole there.
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Tom,
Thanks for the warning about Mr. N. Thankfully I live in a different country so it will be tough for him to track me down.
Like you, I am happy to hear from someone telling me I don't know what I'm talking about and why.
Cheers!
Chris
Tom Huckaby:
--- Quote from: Chris Burgard on July 14, 2006, 05:13:10 PM ---
Tom H.
I didn't say you had to hate the hole. I offered the option of hate/find mediocre/like the least.
It could be a very good hole on a fantastic course but quite not up to the standard of the others. I suspect that this is the case for PD.
Chin up!!
Chris
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Chris - even with that, I can't think of a hole at PD that qualifies! But I do appreciate the effort. As for Stone Eagle, ok under this lesser definition, put me down for #7. Oh it does have one of the golf world's coolest views - looking down the valley away from the hole - but as it's played, to me it was just another drop shot, this time to a greensite that was a bit too severe for my tastes. But as I said on the other thread, push it back to the fake tee below 6, play it from that angle at that distance, and yowza it all becomes cool!
TH
Jason Topp:
At Barnbougle I thought that the longer the hole was the less interesting it was. The par threes were brilliant. The par fives pretty wide open, relatively forgiving and without much to create interest other than the greens and green surrounds.
At Stone Eagle, I almost have a 180 degree opposite view. The par fives and long par fours are great fun and the par threes are a bit repetitive.
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