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Tom Doak's Worst Holes - Barbeque the "Sacred Cow"
Jay Flemma:
Yeah, my first instinct was also 2 at Beechtree...it wasn't really Tom's fault - he needed that water and the water on 7 to irrigate the course.
I remember taking Nancy there for her second ever round of golf. We get to the tee box and I chunk it into the water...she's grinning trying to supress a laugh...I just said "stop laughing and throw me another ball."
I rather like 8. Nice view back to the tee box from the fwy and a good stiff three-shotter for us mere mortals.
John_McMillan:
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--- Quote from: Ryan Simper on July 14, 2006, 06:37:57 PM ---gets my nod as the hole I'd least like to see repeated - it's a complete crapshoot as to whether or not you'll be hitting out of a divot, and that pretty much makes or breaks your hole,
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I have never heard anything so silly in my life. A player getting into a divot is the architect's fault! :P
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In many cases, it can be the architect's fault. I played the Lochenheath a couple years ago, and the 18th hole has a very severely sloped green and entrance. It requires a very accurately judged approach, or else the ball will trickle back to the bottom of a hill. The slopes work so that short approaches collect in a very small area (about the size of a welcome mat), and there is a mass of divots in that area from those whose approach came up short and played their pitch to the green from the collection area.
Jonathan Cummings:
John - wanna bet that the architect at Lochenheath never designed or intended that concentrated low point to be part of the hole? Concentarted collection areas occur in golf as the result of mis-guided shapers, engineering constraints, and evolution of hole (natural erosion and man-made maintenance), but I simply can't imagine an architect designing one.
JC
Tom_Doak:
Jonathan: The architect still has to take the blame for the collection area at Lochenheath which John brought up. When you build an approach where everything for fifty yards short of the green is going to roll backward, you'd better be thinking about where the balls are going to wind up.
The rest of you: Keep them coming. I'm taking notes and will draw some conclusions in about another fifty posts!
Ari Techner:
I would have to say #18 at The Rawls. (Ive played PD, Rawls and Apache) Seemed like more of your typical water laden par 5 finishing hole with not too much going on other than the water(after a really good par 5 17th hole) and I really hated the big gaudy Texas Tech bridge although I know thats not Toms fault.
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