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Tom Doak's Worst Holes - Barbeque the "Sacred Cow"

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Mike_Cirba:

--- Quote from: Cory Lewis on July 14, 2006, 06:16:33 PM ---If there was one hole at Beechtree that I heard the most complaining about while I was there, it was the 8th hole. Long uphill par 5.   The positioning of the bunkers both in front of and behind the road made it a very awkward layup for the average player and caused numerous problems with trying to pitch out of the bunkers because of there severity.  If one tries to layup right of the bunkers, the fairway is slanted so that most balls run into the rough.  
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Cory,

That's exactly why the 8th hole at Beechtree is my favorite on that course!  

Unless the second shot at least tries to challenge the intersecting fairway bunkers, a scared shot off to the right will flow further in that direction, to the point where the 3rd becomes a blind shot to a shallow green that borrows a bit from the 14th at the Old Course.  It's a nice, subtle touch that the "safe" play is anything but, and only sets the player up for having to pull off a great third.  

Ryan Crago:
Tim,

I have little doubt that our disagreement is rooted in you standing on the wrong side of the ball. ;)

Mark_F:

--- Quote from: Kevin Pallier on July 15, 2006, 08:23:32 AM ---St. Andrews Beach:
P4 13th - the drop off to the left on the drive is too penal IMO especially on such a long P4.

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Kevin,

How is the drop off to the left too penal when you have to hit a solid snap hook to find it?

It's no more penal than the left side of 3rd at National Old, or the chute you have to drive between on the 2nd at National Old.

Jonathan Cummings:

--- Quote from: Ryan Simper on July 14, 2006, 06:37:57 PM ---gets my nod as the hole I'd least like to see repeated - it's a complete crapshoot as to whether or not you'll be hitting out of a divot, and that pretty much makes or breaks your hole,
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I have never heard anything so silly in my life.  A player getting into a divot is the architect's fault!  :P

John_McMillan:

--- Quote from: Doug Wright on July 14, 2006, 05:51:19 PM ---High Pointe: I'm not crazy about the first par 3 (#6), seemed very straightforward compared to everything else Tom's done. And then there's #18.
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Hole #6 at High Pointe is a downhill par-5.  Someday, technology may turn that into a par-3, but we're at least 4 or 5 years away from that happening.

The only par-3 on the front-side is #4, which is Tom's copy of the Redan hole.  I'm not sure why this hole would make a list of Tom's worst, since he did a pretty good job of replicating the original.

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