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Tom Doak's Worst Holes - Barbeque the "Sacred Cow"
Doug Wright:
--- Quote from: Tom_Doak on July 14, 2006, 08:05:03 PM ---Anyway, I had nothing to do with the 15th at Riverdale Dunes, but (as Donald Rumsfeld would say) I take full responsibility for the 18th. Of course in its original form we were working around an elevated sewage treatment lagoon to the right of the fairway ... I haven't seen how they made the transition away from that. At the time, we were trying to make the right-hand fairway a target shot and to force a lay-up if you went left. Don't forget that was for 1985 technology, too.
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Tom,
Well all I can say is nice try... (wish I could say that to Rumsfeld too but the consequences are a bit more significant).
David Sneddon:
--- Quote from: Ryan Simper on July 14, 2006, 06:37:57 PM ---Out of the two Doak courses I've played (Stone Eagle and Pac Dunes) I'd say that 16 at Pac Dunes gets my nod as the hole I'd least like to see repeated - it's a complete crapshoot as to whether or not you'll be hitting out of a divot, and that pretty much makes or breaks your hole, as you're often hitting a little flip wedge, a shot which has little chance to that green with anything less than a decent lie (especially off the firm turf).
I made birdie there my last round, so this opinion isn't the result of sour chunk-wedge grapes...
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Next time, Ryan, hit a 5iron off the tee - about 180yds - you'll end up in a flat area before the fairway *really* starts to contour, then a PW from there should give you enough stop on those greens. Not many play it that way so there are very few divots to worry about.
More than one way to skin a cat.
;)
Walt Cutshall:
I'm not a big fan of PD #16. I just can't figure out how to play it. If you lay up with an iron down the left side (so that you have a decent angle at the green), you end up in one of the mini kettle holes created by the undulations in the fairway. These are chewed up because so many balls collect in the hollows, so you are hitting out of divots or divot mix.
The direct approach isn't much better. You have a short, sharply uphill pitch and a bad angle at the green. Again this is from a very chewed up area, so you can't control trajectory or spin.
I would love to find a level spot from which to approach this hole, even if it means hitting a 6 or 7 iron in.
On the bright side, I LOVE the green and the bunker behind. That sucker is brilliant.
Of course, after this little ill-tempered par 4, you've got the ultra cool 17th, which challenges your mind and body. ;)
Bill_McBride:
Walt, you could always play #16 PD like John "Tiger" Bernhardt did in 2001 shortly after the course opened.
Lay up hell! 8) Drive the damned green! He did indeed, to about 40' behind the pin and I believe even two putted.
Sean Walsh:
Jason,
What is special about the 16th at Barnbougle. OK it looks pretty the big bunker in the foreground and the view back towards the clubhouse and town. But what is the strategy to the hole?
Get it over the bunker by as little margin as possible and hope it runs down somewhere near the pin?
Maybe I'm not a good enough golfer to see the possibilities.
I also thought a lot of the longer holes were quite good. Plenty of room off the tee to make a decision about. Good greens with plenty of movement that genereally favoured one side of the fairway or the other depending on pin position.
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