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Tom Doak's Worst Holes - Barbeque the "Sacred Cow"
Doug Wright:
--- Quote from: Tom Huckaby on July 14, 2006, 06:29:38 PM ---Doug - ok, that's cool. I do remember the course conceptually but individual holes are not coming back to me very well... isn't there a quite out of place par 4 around water with railroad ties on it on the back nine? Decent golf hole it it were in Palm Desert or Florida or something... but on that cool linksy course it was a shock to the system. Is that 15? Or maybe I'm dreaming?
TH
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Yes that is 15--a tough hole but totally out of sync with the flow of the course.
Brad Swanson:
I agree with Cory, although Beechtree and Riverdale Dunes are the only Doak/Doakesque(?) courses I have played (Riverdale Dunes is only a partial Doak IIRC). I've played Beechtree 2X and I still don't know where to lay-up on the second shot where I don't risk bouncing one off of the road.
Cheers,
Brad
P.S. Hey Cory, I just realized I never sent what I was going to send you months ago. Keep your eyes peeled next week for a package.
--- Quote from: Cory Lewis on July 14, 2006, 06:16:33 PM ---Ok, I'll take a stab at this, I've played six Doak courses, and worked at one for two years, I absolutely loved Pac Dunes and both courses at Stonewall, and I can't really remember much about Heathland and Riverfront because I played them so long ago, so I will focus on Beechtree.
If there was one hole at Beechtree that I heard the most complaining about while I was there, it was the 8th hole. Long uphill par 5. The positioning of the bunkers both in front of and behind the road made it a very awkward layup for the average player and caused numerous problems with trying to pitch out of the bunkers because of there severity. If one tries to layup right of the bunkers, the fairway is slanted so that most balls run into the rough. Ok there I have said something non positive about a golf course that I love. I hope nothing bad happens to me now.
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rjsimper:
Out of the two Doak courses I've played (Stone Eagle and Pac Dunes) I'd say that 16 at Pac Dunes gets my nod as the hole I'd least like to see repeated - it's a complete crapshoot as to whether or not you'll be hitting out of a divot, and that pretty much makes or breaks your hole, as you're often hitting a little flip wedge, a shot which has little chance to that green with anything less than a decent lie (especially off the firm turf).
I made birdie there my last round, so this opinion isn't the result of sour chunk-wedge grapes...
Tom Huckaby:
Doug - aha! Muchas gracias. I will respect my memory a little better for now.
;D
Tom_Doak:
Riverdale Dunes? I find it weird that so many people are going back to the first couple of courses I had anything to do with.
Anyway, I had nothing to do with the 15th at Riverdale Dunes, but (as Donald Rumsfeld would say) I take full responsibility for the 18th. Of course in its original form we were working around an elevated sewage treatment lagoon to the right of the fairway ... I haven't seen how they made the transition away from that. At the time, we were trying to make the right-hand fairway a target shot and to force a lay-up if you went left. Don't forget that was for 1985 technology, too.
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