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Gary Daughters

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Prairie Dunes #2
« on: July 08, 2006, 08:25:29 PM »

Today's pin placement = shooting fish in a barrel.

Yeh it's Saturday, it's the seniors and birdies have been a bit scarce.

But it looked more like Wednesday at Augusta than a U.S. Open.
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peter_p

Re:Prairie Dunes #2
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2006, 08:33:22 PM »
They played it at 129 yards. The back tees, which I used 10 years ago are about 160, and I'm nowhere near as good. The USGA only has to protect par against the regular tour, they'd be bullies if they did it here.
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Jeff_Brauer

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Re:Prairie Dunes #2
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2006, 08:47:31 PM »
Oh, I thought this was an extension of the no restroom in site thread.....never mind. ;)
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Gary Daughters

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Re:Prairie Dunes #2
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2006, 08:51:37 PM »

Jeff --

Go to your room.

Peter --

129 yds. to a green that funnels toward the hole?
Are they seniors or paraplegics?
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Joe Hancock

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Re:Prairie Dunes #2
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2006, 08:53:53 PM »
Quote from: Gary Daughters on July 08, 2006, 08:51:37 PM

Jeff --

Go to your room.

Peter --

129 yds. to a green that funnels toward the hole?
Are they seniors or paraplegics?

Yea Jeff...go to your room. And Gary....sensitivity training classes start on Monday.

Joe
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"People aren't picking a side of the fairway off a tee because of a randomly internally contoured green ."  jeffwarne, February 24, 2017

Jeff_Brauer

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Re:Prairie Dunes #2
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2006, 08:54:39 PM »
I am in my room! :P
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peter_p

Re:Prairie Dunes #2
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2006, 08:56:31 PM »
I hit the green and carded a six. It may be a pace of play issue. You could have three or four groups on the tee with a difficult hole location, which may be 80% of that green.

Gary,
To which room should Jeff be banished? ???
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Gary Daughters

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Re:Prairie Dunes #2
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2006, 08:58:13 PM »

Joe --

I had a worse one in mind, but truth be told I have BEEN to sensitivity training.
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Gary Daughters

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Re:Prairie Dunes #2
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2006, 09:00:49 PM »

And Jeff..

Do something constructive, like design a "classic." :P
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Tommy_Naccarato

Re:Prairie Dunes #2
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2006, 09:04:27 PM »
Yeah!

And one with no bunkers that look like some bobcat paw that stepped in #2! ;)
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Gary Daughters

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Re:Prairie Dunes #2
« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2006, 09:10:23 PM »

But sheep on the course, for sure.  We need that here.
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Tommy_Naccarato

Re:Prairie Dunes #2
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2006, 09:12:54 PM »
Ya, eye lik sheep!

(doing my best Hillbilly smirk imitation)
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Joe Hancock

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Re:Prairie Dunes #2
« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2006, 09:15:35 PM »
Quote from: Tommy Naccarato on July 08, 2006, 09:12:54 PM
Ya, eye lik sheep!

(doing my best Hillbilly smirk imitation)

Close to the same as the third item on the list of great Texas fallacies:

" Ah was jus' heppin' that sheep over the fence..."
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Tommy_Naccarato

Re:Prairie Dunes #2
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2006, 03:18:13 AM »
Have you ever used one of them disposal cowboy hats? (since you been rummaging down yonder)
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Matt_Cohn

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Re:Prairie Dunes #2
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2006, 03:32:29 AM »
It seems like a half-par hole (par 2.5), with a really interesting green.

We should love it, right?

Or do only par 3.5's and 4.5's work?

(I can't say I ever thought of #2 at Prairie Dunes as a par 2.5. But that seems to be the question.)
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Jim Nugent

Re:Prairie Dunes #2
« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2006, 06:11:48 AM »
Quote from: Matt_Cohn on July 09, 2006, 03:32:29 AM
It seems like a half-par hole (par 2.5), with a really interesting green.


Average score on number 2 so far in the tournament is 3.197.  As a par 3 that makes it the 13th hardest hole.  If it really is a par 2.5, it leaps up to number one in difficulty.  
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Gary Daughters

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Re:Prairie Dunes #2
« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2006, 06:52:16 AM »

With Saturday's funnel pin placement, #2 played as 16th hardest hole.  Average score 2.836.  Average # of putts 1.52 (third lowest for third round).
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Jim Nugent

Re:Prairie Dunes #2
« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2006, 08:30:04 AM »
Quote from: Gary Daughters on July 09, 2006, 06:52:16 AM

With Saturday's funnel pin placement, #2 played as 16th hardest hole.  Average score 2.836.  Average # of putts 1.52 (third lowest for third round).

Gary -- those stats make the first two rounds even more interesting.  Average number of putts for all three rounds is 1.92.  Highest on the course, by far.  Before Saturday's round, the world's best seniors must have averaged over 2 putts on that green.  

The (normally) tough green makes up for the ease in hitting it.  Through three rounds it has been hit 75.2% of the time.  Only the first par 5 has been hit more in regulation.  

Must be quite a green, that can go from toughest to putt to nearly easiest.  
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Gary Daughters

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Re:Prairie Dunes #2
« Reply #18 on: July 09, 2006, 09:22:05 AM »

"Or do only par 3.5's and 4.5's work?"

Matt -- Interesting point.  Can't say I favor the 5.5's I've played.

Jim -- Don't get me wrong.. the green and the hole are great.  I thought the Saturday pin placement detracted from #2's greatness.  But maybe I'm wrong.  Thanks for your thoughts on that one.

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