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Bill_McBride

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Pensacola Country Club Reopens in the Fall!
« on: July 08, 2006, 12:48:56 PM »
Grassing is complete on the redesigned PCC, and grow in is well underway.  Jerry Pate's design team has done a terrific job reworking the course to greatly improve drainage and bring the course into the 21st century.  The old course, with one nine built in 1902 and the second in 1925, was very flat, close to sea level on Pensacola Bay, and became more and more mucky over the years.  After heavy rainstorms it became impossible to send out carts, which is a problem in the high heat and humidity of Gulf Coast summers.

Hurricane Ivan finished the job, downing over 3000 old pines and ancient oaks, and flooding large parts of the course in September 2004.

Pate's redesign included digging several large ponds and turning all the soil on the site, to get the sand from underneath and in the pond excavation, on top of the fairways.  The course will be several hundred yards longer but will play about the same because the new sand-based fairways will play much firmer.

Check out the club's new website for a hole-by-hole tour:
http://www.pensacolacountryclub.com/course.php

These photos were taken after shaping was complete but before the fairways and greens were grassed, so the sand is easily visible.  Those who have played the course will be shocked by the absence of trees, but Pate's team used what was left to great advantage.

Some highlights include the long par 3 #7, with reverse Redan shaping and a Biarritz swale in the green surface.  #8 used to be a dead flat short par 5 with fairway bunkers left and right and a muck-filled ditch in front.  Now there is a Principal's Nose bunker complex in the middle of the fairway which blocks the view of both green and lay up area, with a pond guarding the green left.   #18 is a 160 yard par 3 between the clubhouse site and the bay, with nice elevated green and nothing to stop a ball out to the right from bounding down into the bay!  #3, #5, #10, and #16 are good looking short par 4s, while #2, #9, #13, and #17 will be difficult par 4s.  

The green contouring will be very interesting, with several fall away greens and some strong ridges.  The greens will be old reliable TifDwarf, and will not be overseeded in winter.

Jerry Pate and lead designer, Steve Dana, were aware of my passionate love of classic golf design, and I think humored me at every possible opportunity, including the reverse Redan, Principals Nose, and square tee boxes.  I'm getting very excited.

I hope to host a gathering of southern GCAers and anyone else interested in escaping colder climes, come spring.  It should be fun.   :)

John_Conley

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Re:Pensacola Country Club Reopens in the Fall!
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2006, 06:03:09 PM »
Kiva Dunes is very well designed and I've heard great things about Steelwood.  Is Jerry Pate underappreciated as an designer?  I think it sounds great, Bill.

I'll be in Destin Monday and Tuesday.  Don't know when I'll be back.  I'd like to see it.

Bill_McBride

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Re:Pensacola Country Club Reopens in the Fall!
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2006, 07:05:52 PM »
John, I'm playing in Ft Walton Beach Monday at Eglin AFB's Falcon Course with GCA's John Krystynak and a couple of other guys, so Monday's out.  But if you want to come over Tuesday and do some walking around, let me know.  850-232-6638.

John_Conley

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Re:Pensacola Country Club Reopens in the Fall!
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2006, 10:29:57 PM »
Thanks, but this is a horrible trip for golf.  I had a hard time getting a decent flight to the nicest part of Florida, so I'm driving.  I have a dinner meeting on Monday and am in an office all day Tuesday.  On Wednesday I have to be back at my desk at 2:30 so I'm busting out that night to make it part way home to Tallahassee.

If I leave at the crack of dawn on the way up I might be able to see Windswept Dunes on my way in to town.  Worth it?

I've got to think Shark's Tooth is a strong #1 for the area with Burnt Pine, Camp Creek, and the Raven all vying for #2.  How does Windswept compare?

If I get back I'll let you know.  This visit materialized fairly quickly.

Bill_McBride

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Re:Pensacola Country Club Reopens in the Fall!
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2006, 11:37:59 PM »
John Bernhardt and a couple of my local mates and I played Windswept Dunes on New Years Day this year, and regretted the lost opportunity.

There are a number of well-designed holes out there, although a waste of some potentially good dunesland, all connected by a huge length of cart path through what will someday hopefully be a whole lot of homes.  You could not walk the place, there were literally 1/4 miles treks in several places from green to tee.

Even avid cartballers would object, it's just too far.

But some of the holes were excellent, and most of the greens well designed and complicated.  Truly a lost opportunity, but I think that's what the owner/designer/builder was looking for.

Better to roam around either Sharks Tooth or Camp Creek from what I hear.  I haven't played either, but hear that Camp Creek is the better course.

Sorry to miss you, drive safely.   ;)

Dan Moore

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Re:Pensacola Country Club Reopens in the Fall!
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2006, 11:42:44 PM »
Bill,

Is the Falcon course the Langford course at Eglin.  If so is it well preserved?   Look forward to hearing about it.  
"Is there any other game which produces in the human mind such enviable insanity."  Bernard Darwin

Bill_McBride

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Re:Pensacola Country Club Reopens in the Fall!
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2006, 11:46:44 PM »
No, the Langford course is the Eagle, and what a nasty piece of work it is!  Most of the greens are tiny, elevated, with deep bunkers and the greens set at strange angles.  When I want the golfing equivalent of a trip to the dentist, I call my college buddy Houlgate and book a visit to the Eagle.

Now the Falcon, that's another story.  Fun holes and good for match play, with interesting carries and barrancas etc.

Eglin AFB must have two of the better remaining military courses, although the NAS Pensacola courses are also very good, 27 holes reworked by Jerry Pate a couple of years ago.

Dan Moore

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Re:Pensacola Country Club Reopens in the Fall!
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2006, 11:52:11 PM »
Interesting.  The Langford I've seen usually have very large elevated greens.  The bunkers sound right.  Have the greens been allowed to shrink over the years?
"Is there any other game which produces in the human mind such enviable insanity."  Bernard Darwin

Bill_McBride

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Re:Pensacola Country Club Reopens in the Fall!
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2006, 11:57:41 PM »
"Tiny" as in 3000 SF.  That's tiny these days.  You are right, they have probably gotten smaller, I'll take a look Monday before or after our round.  "Tiny" might be exaggerated, but definitely not "very large."

Dan Moore

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Re:Pensacola Country Club Reopens in the Fall!
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2006, 11:59:33 PM »
I've seen Langford with 10-12,000 sq ft greens so that is unusual.  Thanks.  
"Is there any other game which produces in the human mind such enviable insanity."  Bernard Darwin

Bill_McBride

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Re:Pensacola Country Club Reopens in the Fall!
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2006, 12:09:36 AM »
I really don't know Langford -- which others do you know -- and don't know if it is indeed a Langford.   This is BFE NW Florida, but a major military course.

None of the greens at Eglin / Eagle are anywhere near the size you are talking about, and I don't even think the green pads could handle anything close.

Bill_McBride

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Re:Pensacola Country Club Reopens in the Fall!
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2006, 12:13:45 AM »
Once again I display my ignorance - Langford designed Lawsonia which I dearly want to see -- and Langford is definitely the architect of the Eagle course, either 1922 or 1925 depending on which web site you believe.

John_Conley

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Re:Pensacola Country Club Reopens in the Fall!
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2006, 01:04:34 AM »
Bill, Shark's Tooth is wonderful.  I really like Camp Creek, but still it surprises me to hear that consensus up there is that it is better than one of Norman's best.

Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re:Pensacola Country Club Reopens in the Fall!
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2006, 10:23:20 AM »
Bill, I am glad to hear the good news. John, I think sharks tooth is a good course and one of the better Norman courses I have played. I have not ever thought much of Camp Creek. I think it is a lower Fazio level effort and really a lost opportunity as well. However, it is fun ehough to play in a area without a lot of great golf. I also like Steelewood a good bit. Bill is right about too many forced carries there though.

Bill_McBride

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Re:Pensacola Country Club Reopens in the Fall!
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2006, 10:30:23 AM »
Hopefully some of ya'll will click on the link in post #1 and go to the hole by hole and then click on the photos.  It really looks like there will be some terrific holes, and the sand-capping is really shown off.

I think PCC will definitely enhance Jerry Pate's portfolio, which is already looking pretty good -- Kiva Dunes, Steelwood, Limerock Springs, Old Waverly, Old Colony in Tuscaloosa.  A course in La Quinta I wish I'd seen in Palm Springs last trip.


Mike Benham

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Re:Pensacola Country Club Reopens in the Fall!
« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2006, 12:40:59 PM »
John, I'm playing in Ft Walton Beach Monday at Eglin AFB's Falcon Course with GCA's John Krystynak and a couple of other guys, so Monday's out.  

How and why is John K. in Ft. Walton Beach?  Did his flight back from one of his Scotland forays get sidetracked?
"... and I liked the guy ..."

Bill_McBride

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Re:Pensacola Country Club Reopens in the Fall!
« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2006, 10:16:59 PM »
John, I'm playing in Ft Walton Beach Monday at Eglin AFB's Falcon Course with GCA's John Krystynak and a couple of other guys, so Monday's out.  

How and why is John K. in Ft. Walton Beach?  Did his flight back from one of his Scotland forays get sidetracked?

The official story is "family vacation."   ;)