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Dan_Callahan

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Snowmass Golf Club (photos)
« on: June 20, 2006, 10:09:11 PM »
I got my first taste of a Jim Engh course last week when I played Snowmass Golf Club. I got in six rounds over eight days. The course is a complete redesign of a former Palmer layout. It had way too much containment mounding for my taste, but otherwise I found it to be very, very fun. The scenery of the surrounding mountains is so incredible it almost looks fake.

This was also my first experience playing golf at a high altitude. Sure makes you feel like a he-man. I eventually turned over all club selection decisions to my caddie, who was damn good.

I never quite got used to figuring out the valley effect on my putts. More often than not I would swear the ball was breaking uphill. Again, I defered to my caddie.


The opening hole is a long par 5 (570 yards) that curls around a pond. This photo is taken from the right side of the pond—the tee is back to the left. Each day, I bit off more and more of the dogleg. On the final day, I cut the corner so much that I had a 9-iron to the green—and then three-putted.


The par 4 third is a short hole that narrows considerably the farther you advance the ball. I would lay up with an iron to leave a wedge in. The approach is blind, as this deep bunker and surrounding mounds obscure the view. A front hole location is tough, forcing you to hit a very delicate 80-yard feel shot.


The 7th is the second of five par 5s on the course. I blew it through the fairway each day until finally I got smart and played it down the adjacent 8th fairway—leaving a blind 200-yard 5-iron to the green. Of course, I missed the subsequent four-foot eagle putt.


The 8th is another relatively short par 4. The green sits well below the fairway and is protected by very deep bunkers. The amphitheater look is typical of many greensites at Snowmass. While it is very forgiving for errant shots, it slows up play because the old dudes have a really hard time climbing out of there.


The 9th is a fun little par 4. What you can't see is that there is a pond that fronts the green. Depending on the wind, I would hit a 5-iron and be left with an easy wedge—off a downhill lie to a funky, shallow green. Despite its simplicity, this was one of the most difficult holes on the course.


Making the turn, the 10th is an uphill par 4 with a pond to the left of the green and a bunker to the right. The green has two very distinct levels and is difficult to navigate.


More deep bunkers surround the green on the par 5 11th. After a good drive, I was left with 225 to the hole—about a 5-iron at altitude—but chose to layup because of the dangerous approach.


Perhaps my favorite green on the course. Another short, dogleg left par 4. A hazard runs across the fairway, so I would lay up with a 4-iron. It's possible to fly the hazard, but it is a huge risk and doesn't get you much. The green slopes severely from back to front. The slope to the left offers some forgiveness, but anything right or long is dead.


The 15th is a downhill par 4 with another amphitheater greensite. This bunker is about 100 yards out and was a magnet for my ball when I tried to play smart and lay up in front of it. Eventually, I just took out driver and blew it over everything and was left with about 20 yards to the hole.


Another cool downhill hole. The 16th has a rumpled fairway that yields awkward lies. The green is surrounded by danger, with both a pond and bunkers.


On the par 5 18th, you find yourself teeing off from the side of a mountain down to a valley below. The ball hangs in the air forever. This was a hole that required a few plays to get the right line. My first go-round, I aimed at the bunker on the left to make sure I stayed out of the driving range to the right. That was a bad line, and I ended up in the gunk long and left. The next few days, i aimed down the middle, which resulted in some funny bounces. The last two days, I took it over the bunker on the right and had a wedge one day and a 9-iron the next for a second shot.

Andy Troeger

Re:Snowmass Golf Club (photos)
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2006, 10:25:58 PM »
Dan,
  Thanks for the report and the pictures, what a beautiful area! Engh's courses certainly photograph well, and as you said it looks like a blast to play.  It seemed like from your comments that you had to lay-up fairly often, is that accurate? Were there options of other ways to play those holes?

Steve_ Shaffer

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Re:Snowmass Golf Club (photos)
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2006, 10:29:31 PM »
Dan

You were near Engh's  Lakota Canyon and did not play there?



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Dan_Callahan

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Re:Snowmass Golf Club (photos)
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2006, 10:36:56 PM »
Andy,

I was playing with a relatively short hitter, so we played from the members tees at 6,550. That brought lots of trouble into play for me. Since I was unfamilar with the course, I oftened played safe—knowing that even at 175 yards out it was no more than a 9-iron. As I got more comfortable, I pulled out driver more often.

If we had played from the tips at 7,000 yards, I would rarely have hit an iron off the tee on a par 4.

Another great aspect of the course was the firmness of the fairways. Coming from the Northeast, where about 30 consecutive days of rain has left everything saturated, it was a joy to hit off dry grass. On some of the downhill holes, the ball would bump along over the mounds and hollows for an extra 50 to 70 yards.

On one of the days when the wind was howling at our backs, I hit 5-iron on 16 thinking that would be a good layup. The ball ran and ran, curling around the pond and stopping about 20 feet from the green—on a 328-yard hole!

Bill_McBride

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Re:Snowmass Golf Club (photos)
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2006, 10:48:19 PM »
How were the par 3s?  (No photos)

Those are some nice punchbowl greens - one advantage of too much containment mounding if well done!

Troy Alderson

Re:Snowmass Golf Club (photos)
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2006, 11:12:09 PM »
Dan,

Sorry, I do not like it.  There is way too much mounding that requires fly mowing, too high of maintenance.  The golf course does not seems to fit in with the surrounding land, it looks unnatural.  I give it a C-, looks pretty but does not keep maintenance expenses down.

Dan, you take some good pictures though and I hope you enjoyed the golf outing.

Troy

Dan_Callahan

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Re:Snowmass Golf Club (photos)
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2006, 11:14:11 PM »
The par 3s had great variety and were some of my favorite holes on the course. Unfortunately, my pictures of them aren't very good. Here are three:


The 6th is a 245 yard (280 from the tips), downhill hole with a crazy bumpy green. The drop is so great that I hit 6-iron to the middle. Bunkers are on both right and left. The tee is back up the hill to the left (this photo is from the middle, right of the green).


The 12th plays significantly uphill, and when the hole is back right, the flagstick is not visible from the tee. I think it was about 175 yards (200 from the tips).


The 17th is a much better hole than this photo suggests (this is from behind the green). Again, a back hole location is not visible from the tee—all you can see is a sliver of green on the front left and lots and lots of bunkers on the right. This hole is about 210 yards.

The other par 3s were:

2—a 170-yard hole over water with bunkers all along the right.

4—a 160 yard hole with a hazard on the right and left and a pot bunker in the front, middle of the green.



Dan_Callahan

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Re:Snowmass Golf Club (photos)
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2006, 11:16:37 PM »
Troy,

 I agree—my first impression was that maintenance would be a bitch. I was a guest, so I didn't ask about the financial health of the place. I would imagine, however, that money is not a problem out there.
« Last Edit: June 20, 2006, 11:17:35 PM by Dan_Callahan »

Craig Sweet

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Re:Snowmass Golf Club (photos)
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2006, 11:49:14 PM »
Troy...that was my first thought! What a b#tch to maintain. However, I disagree on it not fitting into the natural surroundings. For example, look at that final picture of the 18th....look at those lines of the mounds, and the folds, the nearly hidden cart path line...now let your eye travel on up to the mounds and folds of the mountains and that bench above the first hills...
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Andy Troeger

Re:Snowmass Golf Club (photos)
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2006, 07:18:16 AM »
Dan,
  Thanks for the response, that makes more sense. Between the firmness and elevation it still doesn't sound like the typical "long" 7000 course anyway. Your 5-iron situation reminds me of the time playing at McCormick's Creek in Indiana (very flat, not anything that will likely ever be mentioned on GCA again) with a gale behind me. Since the course was firm, I pulled out 7-iron from 240 and watched it bounce and roll the last 80 yards onto the green :)
   Of course the next hole I hit 4-iron from 165 and came up short...

Mike_Cirba

Re:Snowmass Golf Club (photos)
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2006, 07:26:13 AM »
I have to say that the earthworks and mounding DO fit in visually with the rugged, mountainous terrain and backdrops.

I'm not sure the same style would translate well to a prairie or parkland landscape, but in this context, it appears to blend quite well.  

Thanks for the pictures, Dan.  I think they make very clear what many find appealing in Engh's work, while also illustrating what more minimalist folk find contrived in his courses.
« Last Edit: June 21, 2006, 07:27:50 AM by Mike Cirba »

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