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Mike Benham

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Phil's Driving Accuracy vs. Shaq's FT %
« on: June 19, 2006, 04:12:58 PM »
US Open vs the NBA Finals ... Anyone want to take a guess which is better?

Or would you like to take the field against Shaq?  The field was 51.8% in FIR (for the guys who played 4 rounds).

Is the accuracy (or inaccuracy) of FIR and FT a dangerous sign for each respective sport?
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rjsimper

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Re:Phil's Driving Accuracy vs. Shaq's FT %
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2006, 04:42:50 PM »
As a lifelong Laker fan, I would have given anything for Shaq to have had the option of taking a 4 wood and willing the ball into the basket with it :)

Lou_Duran

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Re:Phil's Driving Accuracy vs. Shaq's FT %
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2006, 04:56:23 PM »
Is the accuracy (or inaccuracy) of FIR and FT a dangerous sign for each respective sport?

I am not really sure what you're trying to get at, but high percentages on the two measures are correlated with success for the average, but not for the exceptional, multi-dimensional performers.  If Phil and Shaq were also that exact, they would be superhuman, instead just at the top of their respective professions.
 
 

A.G._Crockett

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Re:Phil's Driving Accuracy vs. Shaq's FT %
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2006, 05:35:51 PM »
Not to get all Bill Jamesey with hoops, but FT% isn't a particularly important predictor of winning.  The number of FT's attempted vs. the opponent is huge, for which Shaq is wonderful proof.

In golf, it is pretty clear (and the USGA agrees) that FIR is less important as a predictor of score than it has ever been.  GIR is the key stat.  

My personal guess is that the degree to which you miss the fairway is hard to measure and rather important.  For instance, if you miss by 5 feet, you're probably o.k.  On the other hand, if you hit a freaking tent on the other side of the trees,  there could be trouble!

Still, though, it was the unbelievable choice on the second shot that did Philly in.  He could have survived the drive and at least gotten to a playoff, and with his short game maybe still make 4.  

The comparison would NOT be Shaq missing FT's; it would be Shaq deciding to shoot hooks from half court instead of dunks.
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mike_beene

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Re:Phil's Driving Accuracy vs. Shaq's FT %
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2006, 07:15:11 PM »
I'm stunned the refs didn't call a foul on the tree and award the Open to Phil.I guess Mark Cuban ,jerk that he is is reaping what he sows.It is just ashame that Avery Johnson has to live with the fraud that is the NBA.

Lou_Duran

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Re:Phil's Driving Accuracy vs. Shaq's FT %
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2006, 07:47:46 PM »
Mike-

Yours reflect my feelings precisely about the NBA.  They say that refs swallow their whistles in the last minute.  I am not a cynical, conspiracy theory sort, but the foul in favor of Wade in the waning seconds was preordained, and as ludicrous as the one game suspension on Stackhouse (no major loss in my book) for his foul of Shaq.  For Christ's sake, Shaq is a walking (or standing) flagrant foul.

Ultimately, if Dirk and Howard had hit their foul shots and our soft German wunderkind played to his ability in any of the last three games, none of this would be an issue.  As it is, Cuban is getting his comeuppance and the leisurely stroll to the championship is anything but and now at serious risk.

In regards to Phil, he did get some breaks, but a couple- the two plugged lies in the sand- were very bad.  He lives by the sword, and in this case, he died by it.  Personally, I enjoy watching his style of play to that of the plodders (Furyk, Goosen, Faldo) who generally went with the percentages.  I also liked that Phil didn't offer excuses or transfered blame.  Still, I wished he had wedged back to the fairway for his second shot instead of trying to cut a three iron around a tree out of the hairy sandy lie.

 
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Mike Benham

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Re:Phil's Driving Accuracy vs. Shaq's FT %
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2006, 02:28:28 PM »
Is the accuracy (or inaccuracy) of FIR and FT a dangerous sign for each respective sport?

I am not really sure what you're trying to get at, but high percentages on the two measures are correlated with success for the average, but not for the exceptional, multi-dimensional performers.  If Phil and Shaq were also that exact, they would be superhuman, instead just at the top of their respective professions.

Lou -

There are many NBA players, exceptional, multi-dimensional performers who shoot better than 50% free throws without being superhuman.  In fact, calling Shaq multi-dimensional is a slap in the face of the players who really are multi-dimensional.   Shaq can't shoot free throws nor anything more than 5 feet from the bucket.   And yes, Shaq does think he is Superhuman ...

The simple observation is that the power game is driving both sports, hit it a mile, regardless of where it goes; thunderous dunks without mastering the skill of a simple free throw ...

Mike
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Mike Benham

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Re:Phil's Driving Accuracy vs. Shaq's FT %
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2006, 02:38:52 PM »
Not to get all Bill Jamesey with hoops, but FT% isn't a particularly important predictor of winning.  

AG -I made no mention of those two stats as a predictor to winning, just as an observation of the direction of the two sports.

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