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Dan Moore

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Chicago Aerial June 20th Colt & Alison's Bob O'Link
« on: June 20, 2006, 09:49:04 AM »
This one should be pretty easy.  A link to the past and the present next to each other.  Ignore the 5-6 holes to the northwest, they are from a different course.




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cary lichtenstein

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Re:Chicago Aerial June 20th
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2006, 09:53:30 AM »
Just incrdible how the trees completly changed the course
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Dan Moore

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Re:Chicago Aerial June 20th
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2006, 10:38:43 PM »
Trees and water are the big changes, some are more subtle.  Most of the course looks very well preserved otherwise.  Some of the bunkers behind the greens look interesting.  

If anyone familiar with the course could lend an opinion on the hole on the bottom left that extended the original green across what looks like a stream and let us know if that is a greatly improved hole.  

I also see what must be the first or tenth hole originally seemed to have two completely different fairway approaches with the one across the driving range long gone, replaced by a tree lined dogleg left.  
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Bill_McBride

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Re:Chicago Aerial June 20th
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2006, 11:50:51 PM »
Doak 7 adjacent to Doak 2!  The public course is the only one I've played, one of my buddies knew the pro really well.  Oakbrook GC?

Jonathan McCord

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Re:Chicago Aerial June 20th
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2006, 12:42:08 AM »
As I look at some of the bunkering, some of the bunkers seem to be completely different or non existent, and others seem to be exactly the same.  Why is this?

Some transform over the years, and some do not.  Why?
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Jeff_Brauer

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Re:Chicago Aerial June 20th
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2006, 09:54:20 AM »
Jonathan,

I did a short analysis of changes to Green Acres on another thread, noting major changes, and then postulating as to why.  Since I am more familiar with BOL, even though I haven’t been there in 24 years, I thought I would post a hole by hole of the changes, with the apparent reasoning.

Basically, I feel that most changes were related to a specific need, or percieved need.

I know the course from doing some work there from 1977-1983.  I specifically recall building the green on 5, extending the existing green on 11 to the water, although the water was already there at the time, and rebuilding some bunkers on hole 2, with the lake already there.  There were some other changes, and a winter work tree survey (the course had over 6000 trees, BTW)

I also know it as a player, since my next door neighbor was a member there and Medinah.  I got to play as a guest often.  I have to admit it’s a flatland course, but I always loved it.

Favorite holes include 3, (which I think had fairway bunkers when I was last there)
4 (just liked the bunker pattern)
7 (Elevated Green)
14 – See below

You may think that this is sacrilege, but as I compare the two aerial photos, I see most changes as inevitable, like

•   Adding the range
•   Adding the irrigation pond, and creating a pond par 3 as a result
•   Using the open space to lengthen a short par 5.
•   Moving or extending fairway bunkers to keep them in play
•   Removing bunkers 100 yards or less from the tees as out of play “duffers headaches” and maintenance problems.  

Others are evolvements – like gradually expanding bunkers.  

Some are sad – removing quirk, trees overtaking the fairways, etc.  Most of those could be reversed.

Some followed then current trends, and trends of other courses. I recall working with Bob Williams, the long time super.  He was very dominant and respected at that club.  When we did the fifth green, he was insistent on very exaggerated cape and by bunkers, a style probably more reminiscent of Stanley Thompson than Colt and Allison, so that’s what we did.  As noted above, extending par 5’s to the Augusta Style was very trendy in that era.

Overall, I am surprised that more of the course hasn’t changed.  Some of it is still apparently original design.

Bob O Link Changes

1 – Right Greenside Bunker brought more into play by green
2 – Remove Cross bunkers 100 yards from tee as “out of play”
      Add irrigation pond (probably 1960’s when irrigation automated)
3 – Remove all 4 fairway bunkers.  Probably because OB right is sufficient, Trees left    took the place of fairway bunker?  Far left bunker probably would come into play now.
4 - Remove Cross bunkers 100 yards from tee as “out of play”.  Otherwise very similar
5 – Remove Staggered bunkers 100-200 yards from tee as “out of play”
      Extend left fairway bunker to bring it into play.
      Extend length of short par 5 across the creek, Augusta 15 copy….
6 -  Staggered bunkers removed, one added left.  Why?  Bunker short left of green  removed as “out of play”
7 - Extend left fairway bunker to bring it into play.
      Add Bunker to right of green.  Why?
8- Add irrigation pond (probably 1960’s when irrigation automated)
9 – Add fairway bunker left.  Green unchanged.
10 – One second landing area fairway bunker removed. (Trees?) Green unchanged.
11 – Pond Added to make risk reward Par 5.  Short fairway bunker removed, narrow pinching bunkers added to keep players from blasting it……
12 – Unchanged.  (Is this a Redan?)
13 - Unchanged.
14 – Ponds left and right. (Probably K and N, but I don’t recall. They were there in the 70’s-80’s when I did work there) A sad note for me: That little pot bunker behind the green has been extended, while the left bunker has been reduced, probably for cart traffic.  I understood the left bunker as a safety protector for the adjacent tee.  The back pot bunker was ridiculously small, and quirky, and I liked it.  (I have copied that several times elsewhere, but apparently this one was deemed to hard to rake, or “out of character)
15 – fairway bunker short left removed, pond takes its place. Green unchanged.
16 – Front Left Green Bunker removed, probably as unnecessary, to allow roll up for older members, or for circulation.
17 – Alternate tee removed to add practice range.  Green bunkers reduced in size.  This is somewhat odd, in that most have increases slightly on account of yearly edging.
18 – fairway bunker left removed, added right in landing zone.  A few of the short left green bunkers removed as unnecessary, and others subtly reshaped.

Most of the changes seem to be related to a specific playability or maintenance need, other than those noted with questions, and those that affect all clubs – like too many trees planted without regard for final size.

My specific question is, if you were greens chair, which ones would you disagree with?

Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

Dan Moore

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Re:Chicago Aerial June 20th
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2006, 11:32:44 AM »
This is Bob O'Link Golf Club a men's only club located in Highland Park, Il.  One of the interesting facts concerning this course is that it is a complete redesign of a 1916 Donald Ross course, so complete that only 1-2 hole corridors from the Ross course can still be found.  The Ross routing can be found in Brad Klein's book on Donald Ross.  

The new course was designed by Colt and Alison in 1924 most likely with Alison as the primary architect.  It is one of 4 Colt and Alison courses in the Chicago area.    

As Jeff points out most of the changes are evolutionary rather than radical and much of the Colt Alison design still exists.  That I think has to viewed as a tribute to the merit of the Colt Alison design.  
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Jeff_Brauer

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Re:Chicago Aerial June 20th Colt & Alison's Bob O'Link
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2006, 01:43:19 PM »
I pulled out Brad's book at lunch.  The original routing seemed a bit cramped, and it confirms my memory that the redesign was because they acquired more land west if the creek, where holes 3-7 sit. I find it odd that they didn't include a practice range then!

However, I had always heard that this was the course that McKenzie got to participate in because of his winning the Country Life Contest. I had also heard that Ross had the contract before WW1, and was too busy upon resumption to build the course, so he agreed to farm it out to Alison.  Apparently this isn't true.

I always thought that hole 10 fit the property a bit oddly.  As it turns out from Brad's routing, 10 was originally a 4, with 11 being a 3 back north and 12 a short 4 paralelling the east property line.

Other changes from the routing:

Allison split no. 1 (Ross had a horseshoe par 5) into two par 4's, probably explaining why the first hole is the number one handicap hole.

These holes were kept in the same place, (even some bunkers in the same place)

1 - Tee only
8 (originally 11)
9 -  (originally 12)
10 - first half of fw only.  The bunker near the second landing area used to be short and left of the Ross green, dividing the fw from the par 3 11th.
11 - orignally hole 4, which played to approx. the redan green
13 - Tee was 5 tee, a par 3
14 - Same place, but extended to a par 4 (formerly hole 8, a par 3) The bunker protecting the adjacent tee is original Ross, apparently
15 was converted from a 5 to a 4
16 was converted from a 4 to a 3,

17 and 18 are unchanged and even have bunkers in similar locations

Overall, it appears Allison tried to use some of the Ross routing to save costs, but otherwise felt he had a free hand.
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach