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Gary Daughters

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ANGC Ace
« on: June 02, 2006, 09:55:58 AM »
Following story cut and pasted from Thursday's Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

Other than being an interesting story, I think it bolsters an argument I made around Masters time.. that the 16th green at ANGC is a bit, well, rinky.

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Rob Adamson made a hole-in-one --- at Augusta National, yet --- it just took a while to realize it.

Adamson, of Buckhead, was playing No. 16 at Augusta National on May 21. He hit an 8-iron at the front left pin and his ball stopped on the slope of the green to the right of the hole.

He marked his ball and waited for his playing partners to putt out. He then replaced his ball, which was at rest, and took a step back to line up the putt. On its own, the ball started to roll --- down the slope and right into the hole.

But is that a hole-in-one?

"The caddies were yelling 'That's a one! That's a one!' " Adamson said.

"I figured it wasn't because I had taken the ball out of play."
After the round, the group went to the pro shop and was told it was not an ace.

However, a deeper investigation into the rules of golf proved the caddies correct. The Georgia State Golf Association also verified his ace.

Because Adamson had not addressed his ball and it did not move because of an outside agency, the rules of golf dictate he must play the ball where it lies after it moved. Since it came to rest in the hole, he had his first hole-in-one.

The exact rule in the Decisions of Golf is 18-2b/8:
Q. On the putting green, a player addressed the ball. He stepped away from the ball, marked its position and lifted it. He then replaced the ball and, before he addressed it, the ball moved. Since the ball was lifted and out of play after it was addressed, was the player subject to penalty under Rule 18-2b when it moved after it was put back into play?

A: No. The ball must be played as it lies. Once the ball has been lifted the presumption inherent in the Rule that the act of addressing the ball caused the ball to move is no longer valid.

"It's a hole-in-one," said Layne Williams, Senior Director of Rules and Competition for the GSGA. "If he had addressed the ball, he would have been deemed to cause the ball to move and must replace it with a one-stroke penalty."

Williams also noted that Adamson was not penalized because the ball did not move because of an outside agency, such as an animal. Wind or water are not considered outside agencies.

It could have been much worse had Adamson's ball not stopped in the hole. Had it rolled into the lake next to No. 16, the same rule would have been in effect, meaning his shot was in the water hazard and he must take the appropriate penalty.

"I have a hard time calling it an ace," Adamson said.
"It's still kind of cool. It was bizarre, there was no euphoric feeling. We just stood around saying 'What do we do?' But I'll have a plaque and a card with a one on it."

Adamson, 41 and a member of Cherokee Town and Country Club, shot a 75 on the day. His brother-in-law is an Augusta National member and his group included his father-in-law and another brother-in-law.

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redanman

Re:ANGC Ace
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2006, 09:59:20 AM »
It helps to know the rules.

NOT your average ace.  A little harder to brag about!

Dan Kelly

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Re:ANGC Ace
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2006, 10:13:10 AM »
What a game golf is.

Sublime and ridiculous, all at once!
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Tyler Kearns

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Re:ANGC Ace
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2006, 10:24:20 AM »
Gary,

A similar thing happened to a local golfer who played in the US Amateur at Oakmont a few years ago, albeit the result was not the coveted ace. He replaced his ball, and sure enough, it trickled into the hole.

TK

Phil_the_Author

Re:ANGC Ace
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2006, 11:27:43 AM »
Wow... he played Augusta....  ;D

Matt_Cohn

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Re:ANGC Ace
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2006, 11:47:11 AM »
Just to add a couple of possible twists to the scenario...

1. Let's say this happened at a softer golf course and the guy's ball had plugged in its own pitch mark on the green. Does this rule mean that you can not only lift your ball, but also completely rearrange the turf under the ball, and if it starts rolling again it still counts as the same shot?

2. Try to follow me on this one. Let's say two guys are playing #16 at Augusta to a front-right pin. Frank hits the bottom-left part of the green; Jim is on the fringe just right of the hole. Frank is further away so he takes the pin out and putts first. He hits it way too hard and it goes all the way to the fringe, right in front of Jim's ball. Frank therefore marks and lifts his ball and replaces the pin for Jim to putt. After Jim putts, Frank replaces his ball, but before they have time to remove the pin again, a gust of wind moves Franks ball and it rolls down the hill, hits the pin, and falls in.

Does Frank incur a 2-shot penalty for hitting the pin since his last shot was played from the green?

I'm thinking too hard,
Matt

redanman

Re:ANGC Ace
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2006, 11:51:07 AM »
Matt

Yes.  ;D

One would hope that no unfair advantage would be attempted in repairing the pitch mark.  In equity that would violate the spirit of the rules as I understand that part since building a stance is a rules violation, that compares, I thnk.

I dunno fershure.  :P

Jim Nugent

Re:ANGC Ace
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2006, 02:22:51 PM »
Let's think this through more thoroughly.  

Pin is final round Masters position.  John's tee shot stops on the upper tier.  He arrives at the green, marks his ball, cleans it and replaces it.  Before he addresses the ball, a UFO appears from nowhere, hovering over the green.  A blast of wind from the UFO starts John's ball moving again, and it rolls into the cup.  The UFO also abducts one of John's playing partners, but that is another story.  

Here is the dilemma.  Is the UFO gust of wind considered an outside agency, negating John's ace?  I would think so.  

Gary Daughters

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Re:ANGC Ace
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2006, 03:14:21 PM »

Jim --

Need more info.  Who is piloting UFO?

What about this:

a) A fly clearly lands on John's ball, then sees something more interesting and flies off in pusuit.  The "spring effect" from the fly's takeoff sets the ball into motion and into the hole.

b) Fly, like said UFO, flies close enough to ball to create a wake, thus setting the ball in motion.

Is either of these a hole in one?



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Matt_Cohn

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Re:ANGC Ace
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2006, 04:16:06 PM »
A UFO would be, in one sense, the ultimate example of an "outside agency".

Gary Daughters

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Re:ANGC Ace
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2006, 05:10:55 PM »

UNLESS ...

It were piloted by a Green Jacket on his way to give Ernie Els a free drop.
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