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TEPaul

Par 5s in a row
« on: November 05, 2002, 04:22:28 AM »
I recall a thread on here sometime ago on this subject. I don't think more than two par 5s in a row were ever found anywhere but yesterday I visited a course called Berwick G.C. in Berwick Pa (original home of the Souchaks) and the original Franklin Meehan nine hole course (since been morphed into 18 ) had three par 5s in a row!
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Mike_Cirba

Re: Par 5s in a row
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2002, 04:55:42 AM »
Tom Paul;

Thanks for sharing the info on Berwick.  I had no idea that Meehan had designed the original nine, but he did a few courses in our area (i.e. Ashbourne, North Hills, Sandy Run, Paxon Hollow, SpringFord, Brookside) and it's interesting that his sideline took him that far north.  Any idea who designed the newer nine there?

To your topic, Polo Trace G&CC in Delray Beach has 3 par fives back to back to back (9,10,11), designed by Karl Litten.
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Rich Goodale (Guest)

Re: Par 5s in a row
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2002, 05:16:09 AM »
Pebble Beach has 3 5's in a row, 8-10.
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Scott_Burroughs

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Re: Par 5s in a row
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2002, 06:36:00 AM »
Inwood CC, the host of the 1923 U.S. Open and 1921 PGA, and located basically at the end of the runways of JFK airport across the small bay by NYC, has 3 par 5's in a row, holes 3-5.  Those holes are followed by 2 par 3's in a row.
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Jonathan Cummings

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Re: Par 5s in a row
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2002, 06:40:30 AM »
Oh come on Rich!  Are you a plus 3?!  When was the last time you played Pebble?  Everybody knows in a good wind PBGL's 8-10 are par 6s!  :)
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Rich Goodale (Guest)

Re: Par 5s in a row
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2002, 07:13:09 AM »
Jonathan

You caught me out!

Last time (of 15-20 goes) I played PB was in 1985 or so and 8-10 all played the same for me then, drive long down the middle.  Iron into the Pacific.  Drop.  Hit it stiff.  Give myself the putt and go on to the next tee.

I'm sure each would be at least a stroke harder for me now that I am in my dotage.......
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TEPaul

Re: Par 5s in a row
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2002, 07:37:00 AM »
Rich:

Do you feel you're in the September of your life?

Personally, I'm beginning to feel I'm just about up to date in mine!
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TEPaul

Re: Par 5s in a row
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2002, 07:38:41 AM »
MikeC:

The additional nine holes at Berwick were designed by the club.
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Dan Kelly

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Re: Par 5s in a row
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2002, 08:01:31 AM »
Nos. 15, 16 and 17 at Town & Country Club in St. Paul (the oldest course in Minnesota; original design, my possibly reliable source says, by George McRee, with redesign work by Robert Foulis, Stanley Thompson, and Dick Nugent) are all par-5s. They play, from the tips, at 518, 521, and 496 yards.

T&C also features consecutive par-3s (No. 2 & 3 -- 110 and 163 yards) and a par-3 18th (148 yards).

Full scorecard, aerial views, hole-by-hole tour (etc.) at www.tcc-club.com .

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Chris_Blakely

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Re: Par 5s in a row
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2002, 10:17:26 AM »
The Lakes of Taylor GC, in Taylor, Michigan has three par 5's in a row.  They are the 8th, 9th and 10th holes.
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Paul P

Re: Par 5s in a row
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2002, 11:12:39 AM »
Enniscrone used to start with two par fives in a row. No more.
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Rich Goodale (Guest)

Re: Par 5s in a row
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2002, 11:58:58 AM »
TEP

I am in the September of my life but moving backwards at an amazing rate of knots.  By the time you reach August I will be well into July and starting to dream of playing Augusta again....

To get back on topic, didn't Ballybunion used to finish with two 5's?  The conventional wisdom seems to be that the re-routing to put them near the beginning of the round was a good thing, but I wonder.  As fairly simple as those two holes are, I think finishing with two 4.5 holes is a pretty interesting test of the nerve and stamina of the golfer--accomplished or otherwise.  Portrush does the same, I think.  Any thoughts on this?  Tim Weiman?
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THuckaby2

Re: Par 5s in a row
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2002, 12:15:43 PM »
Rich - Ballybunion Old used to finish with what is now #4-5 because the clubhouse was at that end of the property, closer to the town.  The move had little to do with strategic change and everything to do with the location of the new clubhouse.

Correct, Tim?

You may be right in any case... the old way might be better... few people have any love for the current #18 (though I do).

TH
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Tim Weiman

Re: Par 5s in a row
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2002, 12:16:55 PM »
Rich Goodale:

As you may know, during the Irish Open Ballyunion reverted to the original routing so that the course finished with two par 5s.

I thought it worked out pretty well, perhaps because of the "par 4.5" factor you cited. Truthfully, I suspect the real reason for the orginal routing was so that the course would start and finish near the center of town. But, the Irish Open did get me thinking it might be fun to play the original routing every so often. The guys there play nothing but match play and it might be nice when the match is close and goes to the finish.

Rich, of course, the current arrangement has a more dramatic finish (especially #17) and this probably appeals to Ballybunion's many visitors. But, for the locals who play the course a few times a week that wouldn't matter. They just might prefer the old way.
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Rich Goodale (Guest)

Re: Par 5s in a row
« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2002, 01:06:29 PM »
Thanks Tim

I wasn't aware of the re-routing for the IO.  Glad to see that it worked.  I doubt if they'll move the clubhouse, however, again in the near future.  While 18 ain't the greatest finishing hole in the world, so what?  It is in very good company in that regard.

Cheers

Rich
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Tim Taylor

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Re: Par 5s in a row
« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2002, 02:23:53 PM »
My home course has one stretch where three out of four holes (11, 12, 14) are par fives.

Tim T
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Tim Weiman

Re: Par 5s in a row
« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2002, 02:34:24 PM »
Rich Goodale:

No, Ballybunion isn't going to move the clubhouse anytime soon. But, a snack shop now sits at the original site for the clubhouse and is a plesant walk from town if you want coffee in the morning. There is a very nice Swedish woman (who's name escapes me) that takes care of the place. She also has a nice daughter who is college age and a pretty good golfer.

But, I'm the wrong age for both of them!
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Doug Siebert

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Re: Par 5s in a row
« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2002, 03:35:41 PM »
There's a course near where I live, Saddleback Ridge, that has back to back par 5s, in fact 3 of four consecutive holes are par 5.

12 - par 3, 200
13 - par 5, 560
14 - par 3, 180
15 - par 5, 540
16 - par 5, 550
17 - par 3, 200

Number 15 & 16 run in opposite directions, the 15th teeing off from a ridge to the valley about 80-90 feet below, 16 climbing back up the ridge the last 150 yards or so.

Only course I've ever seen with 6 holes in a row that aren't par 4 .  It is one of those 6/6/6 courses.
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ian

Re: Par 5s in a row
« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2002, 06:44:18 PM »
In Toronto, the old Box Grove Golf Course (became IBM) NLE began with two par 5's and finished with two fives, and had no fives in the middle. It also had only 3 par 3's (3, 6, 16). The course was excellent and you didn't even notice the unusual card.

I always found back to back opening fives as an advantage to get going.
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Jonathan Cummings

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Re: Par 5s in a row
« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2002, 05:07:52 AM »
TEP - let's ask a spin-off on your post.  There are many courses with 5 par 5s.  Can we name any with 6 par 5s?  7 par 5s?  - JC
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Doug Siebert

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Re: Par 5s in a row
« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2002, 05:52:09 PM »
6 par 5s on a course isn't all that uncommon on a 6/6/6 design (like the one I mentioned above)  I'd be extremely surprised to hear of any course with 7, however!
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Richard_Macafee

Re: Par 5s in a row
« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2002, 07:27:50 PM »
Victoria G.C in Australia has 4 par fives, and they are 8-9 and 17-18. Both back to back at the end of each nine.

The Australian Open will be there in a few weeks, however they are playing the 8th as a par.4. for the tournament.
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