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Paul Payne

Gen Erin GC - Doak take note
« on: May 08, 2006, 07:16:53 PM »
I see  by Tom Doaks latest topic that this is very timely. I wanted to report that I finally got a chance to play Glen Erin, a small GC near Janesville WI. It was brought up on this site about a month ago.

What really impressed me by the end of my visit was that in spite of the tough times in the golfing business these days, this seems to be a very good model for a successful small golf course business.

First the course. This is truly a throwback to the courses of the 20's and 30's. It was designed by an architect named Greg Martin, whom I have not heard of but possibly some of you have. I did not want to like the course when I first pulled  up because it is right next to a small airport which is often in view on the front nine, and it is on a relatively compact parcel.

The course however is perfectly charming and well manicured. The routing allows plenty of space between holes so you don't really feel crowded. The holes are layed out on the bumpy, rolling terrain very gracefully. The architect primarily used the existing knolls and swales (which I am sure controlled the construction costs) and got results that are solid on every hole, some of which are truly inspired.  

The bunkers are thoughtfully placed on the fairways, and protect the greens well, (no decorative bunkers) and are typically deep with steep faces. They mow a frame of rough around the bunkers and then the steep faces are allowed to just grow shaggy. This gives them an attractive appearance, reduces maintenance costs, and also adds a level of penalty for a near miss.

On one hole, which I particularly liked, the fairway played down into a swale and then back up to the green for the approach. The green is protected by a steep bunker which seems to be dug right out of the crest of the hill. It almost appears that the earth they removed to create the bunker was used to make it's own steep mounded back. The green however is placed about 15 yards behind the mounded bunker creating one of the most well executed depth illusions I have seen.  

The other aspect I really liked was that every hole can pretty well be dissected from the tee, and yet the sight lines and views of the greens can be very intimidating. You often need to trust your judgement and your distance and not let the visuals get in the way.

The clubhouse is small but well constructed to look like a small Irish pub. The restaurant and bar, the Cursing Stone (I like the name) seems to function well as a local draw even for non-golfers, or those who weren't playing that day. The place was crowded and lively.

In total it was a very intruiging visit. Here you had a fun, thoughtful charming course. What appears to have been a low construction budget. Low maintenamce costs, and a thriving food and liquor business to supply additional cash flow. To top it all off, a round of golf costs $25. It is almost like somebody stole a succesful business from a villiage in the Ilses and brought it over here to the USA, and it seems to be working.

I had a great round and was left with a small sense of hope for the future of golf.  I'd be interested if any of you have played there or know of the architect involved.



Tom_Doak

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Re:Gen Erin GC - Doak take note
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2006, 07:28:50 PM »
Paul:

Thanks for calling me out.

I saw a note about Glen Erin GC on the board a couple of weeks ago, but I thought it referred to the new Erin GC course near Holy Hill, which has been much discussed here the past few months.  Interesting that there is another new course with a similar name in Wisconsin.

Your description of the course sounds wonderful.  There is some great land in the great lakes area for golf -- I wish we got more calls about it, but there are lots of young architects beating the bushes for work and they are forcing us to work further afield.

I have seen Greg Martin's name before but have never met him.  It sounds like he's building courses I would enjoy.

Steve_ Shaffer

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Re:Gen Erin GC - Doak take note
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2006, 07:40:49 PM »
Some good pics on the website:

www.gleneringolf.com

Great value course with a neat Irish pub.


"Glen Erin…is a blast to play. What sets Glen Erin apart is the superb bunkering, both in the fairways and around the greens. The greenside bunkers are typically deep and surrounded by thick, shaggy rough, giving them a dramatic and intimidating U.S. Open-type look. ...it's one of the best deals in southern Wisconsin."

-Gary D' Amato
 Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
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PThomas

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Re:Gen Erin GC - Doak take note
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2006, 08:16:12 PM »
Paul - I think I was the one who asked about it a few weeks ago

thanks for the report...only $25!
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Tim Taylor

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Re:Gen Erin GC - Doak take note
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2006, 09:25:58 PM »
Paul Payne,

Looks like a neat routing. From the layout and photos on the website I couldn't see any water in play. Hallelujah!

Wish there were some similar courses around here. I could put up with airport views and the sounds of small airplanes for quality architecture and a $25 green fee.

TimT

Paul Payne

Re:Gen Erin GC - Doak take note
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2006, 09:31:05 PM »
Steve,

I swear I had not seen that MWJ quote before I wrote my review. (I say that now but soon I'll find myself expaining things away on Oprah). I am glad I am not the only one who saw the merits of this course. I'll tell you also that the pictures on ther website are nice but do not do justice for the subtle bends and rolls of the fairways.

PaulT,

It was you who brought this course up. I was going to shoot you an E-mail but when I read Tom Doaks topic I had to send this out to all. I had truly left that day thinking about what a great little business they had going. Well worth a go if you are ever over towards Madison or Janesville.

To Tom's concern however, I think part of the problem is that developers or golfers (or both) just continue to demand bigger and more dazzling courses. I think everyone forgets sometimes that in the end what is dazzling is simply a well executed shot on a well executed hole.



Mark Arata

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Re:Gen Erin GC - Doak take note
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2006, 11:06:03 PM »
VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION!

I have to be in Madison on 5/18 for a concert...was going to play Lawsonia that morning, should I play there or at Glen Elin?

I have played Lawsonia once, and I loved it, but this place looks very cool. Any suggestions from the peanut gallery?

Anyone from the area free to play the morning of the 18th at either place?
New Orleans, proud to swim home...........

Paul Payne

Re:Gen Erin GC - Doak take note
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2006, 11:16:31 PM »
Sorry Mark, I haven't played Lawsonia yet.

RJ_Daley

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Re:Gen Erin GC - Doak take note
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2006, 11:38:23 PM »
Lawsonia is about 1.5 hours drive from Madison on a bit of a circuitous route.  Janesville is 40 minutes south of town, straight down I-90.  Lawsonia is a bonifide classic.  But, finding a new hidden gem is a reward in itself.  If you are into multiple rounds, you'll find more offerings of decent courses closer together if you go to Janesville area.  

But honestly, with the disclosure that I'm going soley by the pictures, it is a no brainer.  Lawsonia!
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Paul Payne

Re:Gen Erin GC - Doak take note
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2006, 10:42:34 AM »
And just why do you think Chicagoans weekend in the great cheese state?

Mark Arata

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Re:Gen Erin GC - Doak take note
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2006, 03:54:32 PM »
Played here this morning, what a great little course, the green sites were amazing, and the course was in excellent condition. The greens were huge with lots of undulation, and the par 3's were all very good.

It really reminded me a lot of Rustic Canyon on farm land......which is pretty high praise I think. If this course wasnt in the sticks of Wisconsin, it would be hailed on this site in a much larger way.

I would kill to have a course like this within an hour of me in New Orleans, and for 25 dollars, what a deal. I teed off at 7am and was done by 9:45 walking!

Great Call Paul, thanks for the tip  ;)
New Orleans, proud to swim home...........

Paul Payne

Re:Gen Erin GC - Doak take note
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2006, 09:30:10 PM »
Mark,

I am really glad you liked the course. I fell for it hard on my first visit, but it's nice to see that backed up by a second opinion. Just to make sure it's not all emotion taking hold of me and all. I am planning on trying to get out again on my next swing through the area in two weeks.

Cheers.

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