It is apparent that you must be a working architect to be correct about anything on this site. I am sorry for actually disagreeing with you Mike, it has been made abundantly clear that Ross did not do Dayton Country Club. I am sorry for my poor manners, I should have never defended myself considering that you are an architect and I am not. I am not even sure if you are referring to the right course based on the Georgia mix-up from the other thread, but it does not matter because you are an architect and I am just a lowly golfer that likes DR and other great architects. I apololgize!!!!
In the post above you are insinuating.....and that s ok...I will accept the apology if you feel you need it....but personally your arguing with me doesn't bother me at all. You should always defend yourself...I just could not find the defense of DCC in any of the discussion....it is mostly hearsay and probably will be....sorry you consider yourself a "lowly" golfer....if it wasn't for golfers architects would be out of work so I certainly do not consider you lowly....And I also like DR and other dead architects....but I do not think he did 400 courses in his lifetime. I think it is fair to say that most of the modern architects only list their completed projects on their resumes, I know I do . but in certain instances I have seen some of this "restoration expert" resume stuff where they would have 50 to 100 courses listed and when you got down to it...they just stopped by a course one day, spent some time with the super and informed him what they would do with one bunker. I think DR did a lot of that.
A Ross historian that wishes not to be named sent me this email today..
take it however you wish....we may never know..
Mike
It has been brought to my attention there is debate brewing about Dayton CC & if Ross designed it. I've never played the course so I can't relate any personal observations regarding any Ross characteristics the course may or may not have but I have researched Ross and which courses can positively attributed to him based on historic documentation.
The best source is Ross himself and a booklet he produced that listed most of his designs and major re-designs (published around 1930) - Dayton is not listed. Miami Valley is the only Dayton design on that list. The Tufts archives in Pinehurst is another great source. The Tufts has files on all of his courses and they separate his courses into three categories - courses where they have his plans plus other documentation (magazine articles, newspaper clippings, letters, etc), courses where they have some documentation (some with more compelling info than others) but no plans and the last category, no supporting information and no plans. Dayton falls into the last category.
If I'm not mistaken Dayton was founded in 1905, long before Ross was designing golf courses. Maybe they moved to a new location in 1919, maybe he redesigned an existing nine or eighteen in 1919, maybe Ross was consulted while he was designing Miami Valley, maybe....
The truth will come out at some point you might as well dig it up now as much as it might pain the club, it might be in the best interest in the long run.
BobC,
EL as you say maybe some Ross but Bendelow....
Tiger,
Yep I agree...no TE or Pat and this thing has seen 220 replies and 4500 hits in 4 days.....