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john_stiles

Down the center at ANGC
« on: April 17, 2006, 02:43:21 PM »
The photo below is an oblique aerial of ANGC, looking from above Augusta CC towards Washington Pike.  Photo is probably very early, and I am speculating 1933 -1935.

You can see in the immediate foreground the large hazard along the fairway to the current 14th green.  If the fairway is a nominal 40-50 yards wide, this is a large hazard.  

A number of other hazards, either centerline or ‘seemingly' closer to the line of play,  are noticed.  You have a centerline hazard along 2nd, a more centerline hazard along the 8th,  a centerline blind hazard along the 11th (not visible in the photo either), a bunker much closer to line of play at the 14th, and a more centerline hazard in the 18th fairway.

ANGC has arguably been studied and discussed as much as any course at this site.

Is there any insight or speculation why the hazards, seemingly more in play, were moved aside or completely eliminated ?  (used the GCA search engine and didn't find much in this regard)



BCrosby

Re:Down the center at ANGC
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2006, 05:31:16 PM »
An amazing picture.

Note a couple of things:

- an open creek on 1 and 17 and maybe 7;
- only a creek, not a pond, fronting 15;
- strange shape of the 15th green and the NLE tee for 16 just to the right;
- the old NLE centerline bunker on 2, now shifted (unaccountably) to the right side of fairway and farher down the hill;
- the big, long NLE fairway bunkers on 1 and 14 (both in MacK's drawings);
- there should be a large, weird fronting bunker on 2. I don't see it. Was the course still under construction? Is it hidden by a slope? Was it added later?
- the NLE practice area targets in the valley between 18 and 8 fairways. The current practice green was used as a 19th hole to resolve bets. It only existed for one year. The tee was between the 9th and 18th greens. Essentially where the orginal practice tee was.

From the look of the grass, things were still growing in. I wonder if this pic was taken before opening day (1/13/33). Accounts at the time said the course was not completely finished.

You might add the orig MacK bunker on 10 as another centerline feature. You can't see it in this picture.

The lack of bunkers never ceases to amaze. Which means, of course, that MacK and Jones were relying on contour, contour and contour (and a bit of Rae's Creek) to present challenges to good golfers.

Great picture. I could swear I've seen this in a book, but can't recall where.

Thanks for posting this John.

Bob

Tyler Kearns

Re:Down the center at ANGC
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2006, 05:50:22 PM »
I too am startled at the absence of greenside bunkers, most notably No. 1, 2, 7 and 17. The greens at 9 and 18 do not have the pronounced tongues that I have seen in other early aerials of the golf course.

TK

John Shimp

Re:Down the center at ANGC
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2006, 05:55:06 PM »
That is an amazing photo.  

John's comments about centerline hazards are interesting.  I have always thought that ANGC was a particularly easy driving course and feel that a lot of the changes are focused on this fact (water on only 1 hole off the tee, few fairway bunkers until some recent adds (e.g. 5), no rough, and relatively wide playing areas with few tight tree lined holes (until recent tightening on 7, 11, 15) and the types of trees you can play around.   In fact, I started a thread after the masters about this.  Interesting to see that these hazards were removed.  

Definetely not a lot of bunkers on the course back then though.  Particularly not near the greens except 9 and 18.

Jim Nugent

Re:Down the center at ANGC
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2006, 03:26:01 AM »
That is an amazing photo.  

I have always thought that ANGC was a particularly easy driving course and feel that a lot of the changes are focused on this fact (water on only 1 hole off the tee...

John -- 12, 13 and 16?  

John Shimp

Re:Down the center at ANGC
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2006, 12:17:17 PM »
Jim,
I don't consider par 3 tee shots as drives. So, 12 and 16 didn't make the list.  I shouldn't have used the phrase "off the tee" when I had been referring to drives (par 4 and 5's).
« Last Edit: April 18, 2006, 12:18:34 PM by John Shimp »

john_stiles

Re:Down the center at ANGC
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2006, 01:00:02 PM »
Bob,

Had not noticed the bunker was not completed at #2, meaning the photo is pretty early.

John,

The bunker on 18th was much closer to the center of play. The same might also be said of the bunker at the 3rd.  

When you look at the excellent photos and diagrams in Stan Byrdy's book, and the above oblique aerial,  it seems hazards were much closer to the centerline of fairways than they seem today.  

The idea of fairway bunkering is still at the 3rd and 18th but  the bunkers are positioned much more to the side.  Also an early photo of the 8th in Frank Christian's recent book shows the bunker was dead center in that fairway.

It is interesting to see some of the original features in a course so much discussed as to GCA, especially when you can hear and see how the present powers want to increase the difficulty.

Jim Nugent

Re:Down the center at ANGC
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2006, 01:01:20 PM »
How far out were those centerline traps on 2, 8 and 18?  Did they come in play off the tee for the top pro's?  

Just eyeballing it, the hazard on 18 looks further than any drives would have gone then.  Isn't that true now on number 10?

Also, does the greenside bunker on number 9 today look like it did in the photo?  

« Last Edit: April 18, 2006, 01:04:51 PM by Jim Nugent »

redanman

Re:Down the center at ANGC
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2006, 01:37:59 PM »
Why do we still consider Augusta National a great course, worthy of grovelling to play? Is the land and the maintenance of the routing and some of the original greens enough?  It is today clearly a different course than the one pictured at the top of this thread.

It has clearly devolved into nothing of which Dr Mackenzie would approve today.

These kinds of information (Incredible photo that I have NOT seen previously, BTW) make me sick to my stomach and want to cry.

Why do I bother posting such things?  MAybe I'll just never post another of my thoughts on ANGC® ever again.

great photo

JohnV

Re:Down the center at ANGC
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2006, 01:48:08 PM »
Maybe it is not so much that the centerline bunkers have been removed as that the centerline has been moved to the side of the bunker by removing the opposite side of the fairway.

For example, take out the fairway to the right of the bunker on 8 or the left of the bunker on 18.  Obviously others have been moved or removed.

A great picture, it really shows the width of the some of the fairway.  I was shocked by how wide 15 is.

Also interesting that a lot of the big trees were already there.

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