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Marty Bonnar

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Re:Augusta: Pullin' the 'Double Freakie'
« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2006, 07:27:11 PM »
I'd bet the Super at Augusta owns either 'The Lamb' or 'Seconds Out'. Either of those are probably the origin of 'Double Freakie'! Unless he's a closet Gong fan of course!

FBD.
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Washed the people coal-black from the hole in the ground.

rocket

Re:Augusta: Pullin' the 'Double Freakie'
« Reply #26 on: April 07, 2006, 07:48:20 PM »
Gentlemen,   At normal clubs when preparing a tournament the greens are double cut.   The greens are cut one direction and then cut a second time at 90 degrees.  And then you will notice the checkered board effect.  But this being Augusta National   and if you notice that the tees, fairways are all one shade of green.  By Double Freakie the greens this tends stand the grass up and not swaying to one side.  This giving it the Augusta green effect.   If you look at previous Masters you will notice not only have they changed the golf course length but how the aesthetic presentation have changed also.   In conclusion I don't think there intention is to speed the greens up ,though is does play a role.
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rocket

Re:Augusta: Pullin' the 'Double Freakie'
« Reply #27 on: April 07, 2006, 08:01:57 PM »
And that is what separates a good golf superintendent.  Is the presentation of a golf course.  If I was to hold a major it would have Greens like the masters, sorry My bad, more like Oakmont. Yeah! .  But fairways cut like the British Open.  And rough like the U.S. Open.   And tee's it wouldn't really matter but I would stripe it just to help the golfer out in alignment.  That's why Bethpage black was a good tournament. It happened behind the scenes.  The people they brought in to make it successful.  Imagine Oakmont.  I can't wait. Minimalist golf course aesthetics but cutting egde golf course managemet.
« Last Edit: April 07, 2006, 08:09:31 PM by R_J_Bautista »

Anthony_Nysse

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Re:Augusta: Pullin' the 'Double Freakie'
« Reply #28 on: April 07, 2006, 08:52:45 PM »
RJ,
  So are you concluding that they only mow the greens down and back to get rid of the stripes? I'm quite sure that it's done for smoothness and speed. Greens can be double cut in 100 different ways...not just one way, with a 90 degree angle for the second cut.You can lean your greens out and keep a high rate of primo on them and they will not have much for color in terms of stripes. When Bethpage had the Open, the fairways were mowed in a traditional mannor, and tee boxes were mowed on angles, so what was done behind the scene?

Tony Nysse
Asst. Supt.
Long Cove Club
HHI, SC

« Last Edit: April 07, 2006, 08:53:16 PM by Anthony_Nysse »
Anthony J. Nysse
Director of Golf Courses & Grounds
Apogee Club
Hobe Sound, FL

Kyle Harris

Re:Augusta: Pullin' the 'Double Freakie'
« Reply #29 on: April 07, 2006, 08:53:03 PM »
I'd bet the Super at Augusta owns either 'The Lamb' or 'Seconds Out'. Either of those are probably the origin of 'Double Freakie'! Unless he's a closet Gong fan of course!

FBD.

See the bottom of my profile.  :)

rocket

Re:Augusta: Pullin' the 'Double Freakie'
« Reply #30 on: April 07, 2006, 09:15:18 PM »
Tony.  
You should know a high rate of primo would also discolor your greens thats why it is recommended you mix it with ferrous sulfate( iron).   And what happened to bethpage?  I heard they brought in the engineers from england just to make sure the mowers are set right especially when you cutting the greens at .065.     The also double freaky the greens at merion for the U.S Amateur and double rolled.  Maybe this is raising the bar.  
Kyle,  We are penn State.  Class of 2003
« Last Edit: April 07, 2006, 09:18:07 PM by R_J_Bautista »

Anthony_Nysse

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Re:Augusta: Pullin' the 'Double Freakie'
« Reply #31 on: April 07, 2006, 09:25:06 PM »
RJ,
  They didn't bring in any engineers to Bethpage. All the equipment was from Storr Tractor, which is a Toro Rep in the NJ and NY area. The so called "engineers" were head machanics from courses overseas.
 Also, you do not have to put any FE in a tank with primo...what is wrong with a lean look? In fact, I sprayed primo this week without FE. Must everything always be green?
 But yes, they were mowing at .065 for the 2002 and 2003 Open...Toro Flex 21's at Bethpage and John Deere at Olympia Fields..

Tony Nysse
Asst. Supt.
Long Cove Club
HHI, SC
« Last Edit: April 07, 2006, 09:26:28 PM by Anthony_Nysse »
Anthony J. Nysse
Director of Golf Courses & Grounds
Apogee Club
Hobe Sound, FL

Craig Sweet

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Re:Augusta: Pullin' the 'Double Freakie'
« Reply #32 on: April 09, 2006, 05:09:36 PM »
At my course we now mow in a 'S' pattern across, or with the length of the green to allow for wind variables.
No one is above the law. LOCK HIM UP!!!

Tommy_Naccarato

Re:Augusta: Pullin' the 'Double Freakie'
« Reply #33 on: April 09, 2006, 05:16:14 PM »
I'd bet the Super at Augusta owns either 'The Lamb' or 'Seconds Out'. Either of those are probably the origin of 'Double Freakie'! Unless he's a closet Gong fan of course!

FBD.

See the bottom of my profile.  :)

I'm not going to replace my Max Behr quote with a Peter Gabriel one....yet!

rocket

Re:Augusta: Pullin' the 'Double Freakie'
« Reply #34 on: April 09, 2006, 08:03:22 PM »
Craig.  I got to try that on our greens.  I have done that on our fairways cuting with the contours.   In the 1998 U.S Open at Olympic Club. They cut the greens in a circular motion like you would in matting topdressing sand. Then they striped the greens just for the second cut.  The Superintendent did this even after being told not too.   Once Tom lehman got off the 18 green he looked for the first USGA offficial.
Tony. Recommended.   Some guys use iron and some guys don't.  Or maybe your members are  just use to seeing discoloured turf. ;D
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Craig Sweet

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Re:Augusta: Pullin' the 'Double Freakie'
« Reply #35 on: April 09, 2006, 10:03:14 PM »
RJ...I was just kidding about the wiggly mowing of the greens....I was talking with my Super today about the 'Double Freakie' and he said "you should post on there that we mow in a wiggley pattern". ;D
No one is above the law. LOCK HIM UP!!!

William King

Re:Augusta: Pullin' the 'Double Freakie'
« Reply #36 on: April 09, 2006, 10:03:39 PM »
I therefore had the opportunity to 'appreciate' most Genesis albums in various mental states (altered or otherwise!)


Ah yes, the Lamb Lies Down in Mint Sauce! ;D

Anthony_Nysse

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Re:Augusta: Pullin' the 'Double Freakie'
« Reply #37 on: April 10, 2006, 01:13:45 AM »
RJ-
  Not always nessesary to use Fe if your N levels are right and they are providing the color, plus, we've found that Huma Balance offers a good bit of color....And as for discolored turf....our turf is seldom discolored, our members worry about playability...looks like you've fallen into the dreaded Augusta Syndrome..."Please, Everything must be green!" Have fun with that!

Tony Nysse
Asst. Supt.
Long Cove Club
HHI, SC
« Last Edit: April 10, 2006, 06:01:48 AM by Anthony_Nysse »
Anthony J. Nysse
Director of Golf Courses & Grounds
Apogee Club
Hobe Sound, FL

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