[Dunlop_White]

Check out this vintage photo from the approach of Hole 17 at ANGC in the 40's.

[ANTHONYPIOPPI]

I like it better now where there is no option and everybody essentially lays up to the same place and hits in the same club on the approach. I think making golfers think is overrated.

Anthony

[Dunlop_White]

Is that a large principle's nose on the left?

[ANTHONYPIOPPI]

Dunlop:

That's an interesting question. We need to know if there is another bunker tucked in to the mound.

Anthony

[Adam Clayman]

Those large mounds are of great interest. From the re-doing of the 8th hole's green complex to the Jockey club, The Good Doctor, made the most out of what essentially is a simple feature.

P.s. Thanks for posting these old gems. There's much to be learned from them. BTW, I've been looking for that old photo of 16 with the creek abutting the green on the right. Any chance it will get it's own thread, too?

[Dunlop_White]

I have original photos of every hole ..... to be digitized eventually for the USGA Architecture Archive. Meanwhile, I'll try to format them to post for discussion. Bob Crosby will be glad to see these as well.

[Chip Gaskins]

unfortunately i did not take a picture of the approach to 17....only from behind the green.

you can see the mound on the left is much much smaller

[Adam Clayman]

Dunlop, Thanks for that. I'll look forward to them all.
 
Re the 17th and that mound picture in the foreground. Sometime last year I saw the first Masters broadcast (1960? I think) There was one shot of Arnie walking down the 17th and there was a huge pimple in the middle. From what I gather, there was a series of humps of this kind littered throughout the LZ(s). reminds me of home

[Chris_Clouser]

This photo was taken after Maxwell added the bunkers greenside as well.  The original hole had no greenside bunkers.

[Michael Whitaker]

Here's a look down 17 from Google Earth

[BCrosby]

Michael -

You sure that's the 17th?

Chris -

Interesting about the PM bunkers. Early on some thought was given to making the 17th a par 5. (The irony is that the tee would have been more or less where the current pro tee is.) I've wondered if the green wasn't originally designed with that in mind and when they went with a par 4, that green design was not modified.

All -

It's hard to appreciate how much the 17th has changed. Hundreds of trees were added right of the lz about 8 years ago. But an even bigger change was the trees added to the left side of the fw over the last couple of years. I think the narrowness of the fw on the 17th now rivals the 11th. It has received little publicity. I was very surprised how many trees were added. And they are only going to get much, much bigger.

Bob   

[Craig Disher]

Too bad this aerial wasn't taken earlier in the morning or later in the afternoon so the mound on the left could be seen more easily.  This was taken in 1954



and isn't that dissimilar to an earlier 1941 photo



although what looks like a little ridge along the center of the approach appears to have been removed. It also appears that the maintenance of the fairways improved considerably by the 1950s.

[Adam Clayman]

Craig, Is that some kind of road running along the bottom of the '41 pic?
Anyone know what that was used for? Maintenance?

[Craig Disher]

Adam,
It's a road that crossed the course and is gone by 1954. In the later photo you can see the dark strip that shows where it was. It paralleled the 14th fairway beginning just to the right of the 10th green and ending at the other side of the course.

[RSLivingston_III]

In the 1941 photo, is that the fairway hump touching the left border of the image just above the maintenance road?

[Michael Whitaker]

Michael -

You sure that's the 17th?

Yep... that's straight from Google Earth.

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