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John Gosselin:
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--- Quote from: Tom MacWood on March 14, 2006, 11:11:21 PM ---Actually I believe the old course at DuPont was designed by Wilfred Reid in 1920.
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John,
What is the relationship of the present day "Porky Oliver GC" to the original courses at DuPont? I've heard for years that it was the original DuPont CC, and had assumed this was the course the Wilfrid Reid built.
Can you shed any light based on your inside knowledge?
Thanks!
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Mayday is right. Porkys was the original Wilmington CC. They abandon Porkys for their current location in the early sixties. North course Dick Wilson and South Course RTJ.
The current DuPont Course was originally Tull post World War Two. Plain and very toned down, if you will, as compared to the original Nemours course that was opened in 38, which he did also. The DuPont course now is basically most of Tull's routing with a Lester George designed golf course on it.
T_MacWood:
That's an interesting evolution for DuPont - for some reason Ross did not list that course on his list of designs (around 1930). Any thoughts why he would not list it? Is it possible he incorporated some of Reid's nine-hole course?
My mistake - I forgot about the name change for Ocean City. That is another course with an interesting history. the project was anounced in 1915, but whatever reason the course was not completed unitl 1923.
In southern California Caves Landing at Pisbo Beach (near San Luis O) was designed by JD Dunn and George Thomas, and I believe MacKenzie consulting. Dunn compared it to Muirfield.
Another one is Dana Point, which was supposedly a spectacular site. One article had MacKenzie and Hunter doing it, another Max Behr and Billy Behr (which would have been an interesting collaboration). With Berh and MacKenzie being friends I'm surprised they never worked together.
George_Bahto:
For Raynor-never-builts there are 3 - and in no particlar order:
2nd course Gibson Island:
Patrick, right on ...... 2nd course for Gibson Island - great set of holes and they were so bold I would think CBM had a lot if input
2nd course Fishers Island:
Raynor himself said it wold be "better" than the first course
Olympic Club:
the original plan 1918
George_Bahto:
oh, and there was another:
the original proposal Raynor submitted to CC of Fairfield
Oliver Gould Jennings, the founder, thought the holes presented were way too difficult for his membership and asked Raynor to water it down a bit (there was a completed Cape hole out on an island in the lagoon)
just a side note on this course:
There was only enough room for 9 holes on the property. Jennings visits the Lido project and saw the landfill operation. He then proceeds to do the same for the next ga-zillion years. Even the lagoon at CCF resemble the shape of the lagoon at Lido.
Kye Goalby:
George,
Along the Raynor line, the Charles Banks additional 27 at Annapolis Roads could have been pretty spectacular.
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