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Mike_Clayton

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Re:Australia advice II
« Reply #50 on: March 07, 2006, 01:51:34 AM »
Jonathan,

I can't say I disagree with too much of that.
If more were like you courses would be better.
I think St Andrews is better than perhaps you do but there are some severe greens.
I am not sure about your reference to #4 green being unapproachable from the left centre of the fairway.
4 is the long par 3.
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Jonathan Cummings

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Re:Australia advice II
« Reply #51 on: March 07, 2006, 02:17:12 AM »
Uh oh - shows you how little I should be talking about SA Beach.

Mike, I was referring to the long 4 that doglegs right - #3?  #5?  Sorry, I don't have the card in front of me.

BTW - I think I have seen the perfect golfing ground!  We played Melbourne today.  It is a 10 in every way.

JC
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Thomas_Brown

Re:Australia advice II
« Reply #52 on: March 07, 2006, 02:51:57 AM »
JC - Out of curiousity - how bouncy are the conditions?
How much run after your driver lands?
How much run after you 7 iron lands?

envy on this side of the Pacific.
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Mike_Clayton

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Re:Australia advice II
« Reply #53 on: March 07, 2006, 04:42:20 AM »
Jonathan,

#3 is the tough green and 2nd shot.
That was an interesting hole.
Originally the green was forward and the tee further back.No one could drive to the corner and the approach was blind for almost all. With the tee forward far enough to see the green the hole was really short - another shortish 4 to add to 2,5,8 and 9,
The tee came forward and the green went back. It's true that the drive into the right corner is really rewarded.

Can you believe some people think Royal Melbourne is not the best course in the country?
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Sean Walsh

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Re:Australia advice II
« Reply #54 on: March 07, 2006, 05:15:04 AM »
Yes but Tom has a vested interest in Barny and St A Beach.. ;D
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Sean Walsh

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Re:Australia advice II
« Reply #55 on: March 07, 2006, 05:16:51 AM »
Mike
On a more serious note.  Who? though i understand a reluctance to answer.  

AND

If not RM.  What do they nominate in its place?
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Mike_Clayton

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Re:Australia advice II
« Reply #56 on: March 07, 2006, 01:26:25 PM »
Sean,

Who?
I hear it a lot from people who judge  things other than the quality of the architecture.

They say Metropolitan is in better condition, NSW is more spectacular,Kingston Heath is just better and RM West has no par fives- which is true given the reality of the modern game.
And,the old one - the 'fairways are too wide'.
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ed_getka

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Re:Australia advice II
« Reply #57 on: March 08, 2006, 01:10:32 AM »
Guys,
  I have yet another question for you. What will the course conditions be like in late April? When are the courses generally in the optimum condition? Would late March be significantly better conditioning-wise?
   Thanks in advance for putting up with my pesky questions?
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Chris Kane

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Re:Australia advice II
« Reply #58 on: March 08, 2006, 01:17:32 AM »
Ed, I doubt there will be any significant difference in condition over a one-month period.  The courses are generally in optimum condition around this time of year.  
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Paul_Daley

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Re:Australia advice II
« Reply #59 on: March 08, 2006, 07:19:43 AM »
Ed: Down Under we've adopted that old Americano tradition of free speech.  ;)  So well done on you picking up Clayts' essay in the Sandbelt book, which is indicative of his thought that there is more than just a little margin betwen KH and RM. Sweet as a nut by me; I'm not going to invite someone to write a guest essay and then corale them into a PD-friendly rating - not really my thing. I'm a dill for taking your partially concealed bait, for I sense you were only jokkkkin about.  :)  We'll still be sharing ale!  :D
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ed_getka

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Re:Australia advice II
« Reply #60 on: March 08, 2006, 01:02:31 PM »
Paul,
  Looking forward to it, and yes I was just tweaking you a little. :)
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Jonathan Cummings

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Re:Australia advice II
« Reply #61 on: March 08, 2006, 03:10:01 PM »
Thomas,

Seems like forever since you and I played when it was less than two weeks ago.  I owe you a full report on the trip and will send you a note in a few weeks when I'm back to dry land.

JC
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Paul_Daley

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Re:Australia advice II
« Reply #62 on: March 08, 2006, 03:49:18 PM »
Ed: beautifully tweaked! ;)
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pacgd

Re:Australia advice II
« Reply #63 on: March 10, 2006, 07:29:42 PM »
(1) Can any GCAers from Australia place Ellerston, Greg Norman/Bob Harrison's course for Kerry Packer, geographically from Melbourne or Sydney, and how would you get there?  (2) What is its access status now that Mr. Packer has passed on?  (3) If anyone has played it, is it worth the trouble to get there? Thanks.
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Mike_Clayton

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Re:Australia advice II
« Reply #64 on: March 10, 2006, 09:36:27 PM »
SDZ.

Elleston is about four hours drive north of Sydney.
I assume the access policy has not changed - i.e very ,very difficult.
Augusta would be much easier.
I have played it and it is very difficult and has a lot of good holes.
Worth the effort?
Barnbougle is a lot easier to get to and the access policy is the complete opposite.
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Thomas_Brown

Re:Australia advice II
« Reply #65 on: March 10, 2006, 10:15:28 PM »
JC - Thanks.
Enjoy the rest of your trip.
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ed_getka

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Re:Australia advice II
« Reply #66 on: March 10, 2006, 10:18:38 PM »
Johnathan,
   I'll be looking forward to your report when you return. Enviously counting down the days. :)
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