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Steve Lapper

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Re:It Official - Donald Trump is no longer the #1 target of GCA
« Reply #25 on: February 23, 2006, 09:22:42 PM »
Liberty National is likely the club that will mark the top in the overindulgence that Brian Gracely so patly attributes to NYC (btw.....LA is worse, for the record  :o). The course is/will probably no worse than okay and will certainly be bid into the PGA event ho' auction (major later than sooner....just like the comb-over king's place further out Rte 78) over time. Fireman won't go broke, but will set new records for length of time in the "absorbtion curve" of new members. At 500k a crack, it might be smoking it, instead of getting it!

Yes, it's in Jersey and yes it will likely possess a certain odor of its own, yet the RE boom of nearby Jersey City, Bayonne and surrounds is not quite over just yet. Condo mania is starting to fade though and I wouldn't want to be even the senior or junior lender on any part of this project! I find that, for free, I'm going to have a great and throughly entertaining time watching this place try to fill up. ::)

For the record, though, as a quasi ex-Wall Street'er, this place will have but a limited appeal as most guys will belong to a club out by the beach or other summer retreat. Most members will have it as their 2nd,3rd, or 4th club and frankly, nowhere else does that model seem work anywhere in the Northeast north of $200k (Save Sebonac). Bayonne is most definitely a more interesting proposition, in every sense of the word. I really am looking forward to playing there. :)


Just for the record, The Donald's BS is still the highest profile target for me. The guy's outright hype make's Fireman and his crew look like amateurs and thus more believable. If this yield curve continues to invert further, or the Fed overshoot's on their raises......look out below all over this high falutin club landscape. :o :o
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Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re:It Official - Donald Trump is no longer the #1 target of GCA
« Reply #26 on: February 23, 2006, 10:16:27 PM »
I am in shock. I am not sure if this man was ready to hear that music and sit through the presentation. I am going to the Sand Hills web site now and relax a bit, maybe buy a shirt. I am happy for Bob Cupp but very very sad for Tom Kite. He is suppossed to stand for better than bigtime hype.

Doug Siebert

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Re:It Official - Donald Trump is no longer the #1 target of GCA
« Reply #27 on: February 24, 2006, 12:48:04 AM »
Seems to me that if I wanted to sell memberships to the noveau riche, that telling everyone that memberships would cost $500,000 but selling many/most for a "special price" of only $250,000 and signing a nondisclosure about getting that discount would be perfect.  They could sell them more quickly since everyone thinks they are getting a deal and its the ultimate in conspicious consumption because the guys in the other corner offices think you spent twice as much as you really did!
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Tony_Muldoon

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Re:It Official - Donald Trump is no longer the #1 target of GCA
« Reply #28 on: February 24, 2006, 02:02:18 AM »
What is the name of that piece that plays in the background of the Liberty National website intro?


It's the Flower Duet from Opera Lakme by Delibes.  British Airways have used it in their corporate advertising for the past decade.
Let's make GCA grate again!

David Kelly

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Re:It Official - Donald Trump is no longer the #1 target of GCA
« Reply #29 on: February 24, 2006, 03:53:17 AM »
What is the name of that piece that plays in the background of the Liberty National website intro?
It's the Flower Duet from Opera Lakme by Delibes.  

Now everytime I listen to Dome Epais Le Jasmin I am going to associate it with the Statue of Liberty and this golf course. Maybe they will get Joan Sutherland to come out of retirement to sing at the grand opening.
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Ted Kramer

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Re:It Official - Donald Trump is no longer the #1 target of GCA
« Reply #30 on: February 24, 2006, 09:28:25 AM »
Looks like a really cool place if you ask me.

*The website is over the top - I couldn't care less.

*The cart path is expensive - I prefer wlaking only, but if a cart path has to exist, I couldn't possibly care less about how much it cost to build.

*Money is a relative thing. $500k to some people simply isn't a big deal. You might think that $500k is a ton of money, and others might think that it is nothing if it gets them a solid round of golf whenever they please within a few minutes from Manhattan.

*Call me homer, but the idea of playing golf in the shadows of downtown NYC and the Statue of Liberty sounds pretty dreamy to this Long Islander.

-Ted

John Kavanaugh

Re:It Official - Donald Trump is no longer the #1 target of GCA
« Reply #31 on: February 24, 2006, 09:46:44 AM »
Is it humanly possible without a helicopter to leave work downtown at 3pm and get in 18 out at Sebonack...if not.. LN may be the ticket. Personally, I kinda like playing after work, having a beer or two and getting home around 9 or so....

Mike Hendren

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Re:It Official - Donald Trump is no longer the #1 target of GCA
« Reply #32 on: February 24, 2006, 09:53:56 AM »
Johnny K,

I'm guessing you won't get that iced six-pack of Mich Ultra for $8 at LN.  Hillbillies move to Beverly Hills, not New Jersey.

Surely this Cupp/Kite collaberation will give additional panache to Vanderbilt Legends Club, don't you think?  Calling all raters.

Mike
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Two Corinthians walk into a bar ....

rgkeller

Re:It Official - Donald Trump is no longer the #1 target of GCA
« Reply #33 on: February 24, 2006, 10:17:04 AM »
I'm betting that we will soon have a new winner in the Modern category in the locker room sweepstakes.

Doug Siebert

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Re:It Official - Donald Trump is no longer the #1 target of GCA
« Reply #34 on: February 25, 2006, 12:42:38 AM »
John K,

If you can afford to drop $500K on an initiation fee and $25K per year, you can probably afford to lease yourself a helicopter ;)
My hovercraft is full of eels.

redanman

Re:It Official - Donald Trump is no longer the #1 target of GCA
« Reply #35 on: February 25, 2006, 12:38:38 PM »
Others methods of travel are hard to fathom if you haven't been exposed.

Helicopters?  It's only about $600 each way to the Hamptons, I think. de rigeur aujourd'hui, mes amis.

What's fun is to have dinner al fresco (say at Cuicina d'Angelo) at The Boca Towne Centre on a Friday night and watch the jets arrive from NY.  They pass overhead at about 200 feet, some less, probably for effect.  

For lovers of aircraft it's a real treat, better than a strip show.


Jin Kim

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Re:It Official - Donald Trump is no longer the #1 target of GCA
« Reply #36 on: February 26, 2006, 06:55:20 PM »
The clubhouse is the Sydney Oprahouse looking structure.  The highrises in the background are the proposed condos.

Gene Greco

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Re:It Official - Donald Trump is no longer the #1 target of GCA
« Reply #37 on: February 26, 2006, 07:49:50 PM »
BTW: 1.5 to 5 million for the condos.

Why does talk of Sebonack keep coming up in this thread? I believe we are dealing with two different animals here.

It appears LN will be accessible to Wall St. with only a 15 minute ferry ride. Also, if one were to leave the city at 3:00 pm it is still easily reachable without too much traffic by driving through the Holland Tunnel by limo or Mini. In either case, balls are in the air at 3:45 plenty of time to finish 18.

Sebonack is here in the Hamptons, hours by car or by helicopter (by the time you figure in pick up and driving time to and from the respective heliports here and in the city).

Not exactly a convenient place for an after work round of golf unless you work here.

Furthermore, LN is what it is and we here at GCA shouldn't get our feathers ruffled over it.

For goshsakes, it ain't Brora.
 


 


"...I don't believe it is impossible to build a modern course as good as Pine Valley.  To me, Sand Hills is just as good as Pine Valley..."    TOM DOAK  November 6th, 2010

redanman

Re:It Official - Donald Trump is no longer the #1 target of GCA
« Reply #38 on: February 26, 2006, 09:52:35 PM »
Gene

It ain't that hard to board a helicopter from midtown; expensive? yes, but not hard and it's not hours at 200 knots (appx 90 mi midtown to southampton).

Fly times by helicopter in and around NYC

Mike_Sweeney

Re:It Official - Donald Trump is no longer the #1 target of GCA
« Reply #39 on: February 27, 2006, 10:25:04 AM »
Gene

It ain't that hard to board a helicopter from midtown; expensive? yes, but not hard and it's not hours at 200 knots (appx 90 mi midtown to southampton).

Fly times by helicopter in and around NYC

Redanman,

This ain't Lehigh County!! What they don't show you on The Apprentice is Donald sitting in traffic like the rest of us going to the heliport. As mentioned by Dr Gene, getting to the 33rd Street Heliport is no picnic, and here is the heliport in Southampton, which is probably 12 miles through The Village to Sebonack. Now if you had one of those George Jetson jetpacks, then a quick 9 is doable.  ;)



PS. Interesting article, clearly two different types of clubs, but getting to the Liberty National and Bayonne ferries is no picnic either. The clubhouse of Liberty National reminds me the Guggenheim Museum on Fifth Avenue. It just seems out of place to me, but it it is very popular and I did see a great Motorcycle exhibit there.



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jeffwarne

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Re:It Official - Donald Trump is no longer the #1 target of GCA
« Reply #40 on: February 27, 2006, 10:33:14 AM »
If a shingled clubhouse is appropriate for a clubhouse in an old northeastern setting (Shinnecock/Kittansett),
why is a modern high rise clubhouse not appropriate in a modern, high rise setting(New York City)?

 Frankly, a shingled cottage would look kind've silly.

Amongst the new courses,it's LN or Bayonne for weekday close proximity golf,
Sebonack, The Bridge, or East Hampton for the weekends.
Many will and have join one from each category.

Those who think you can jump on a helicopter are naive -(even if you own one). You can't land at the golf courses adding logistic and time issues,and it doesn't take much to ground a helicopter on an otherwise fine day for golf.(wind,low ceiling,fog--all are common in The Hamptons)
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

redanman

Re:It Official - Donald Trump is no longer the #1 target of GCA
« Reply #41 on: February 27, 2006, 10:38:47 AM »
Cars?  Who needs cars.  Just take a skiff across the bay, or if you're the Donald, just walk across the water. Hamptons traffic is gun-in-the-mouth stuff.


cary lichtenstein

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Re:It Official - Donald Trump is no longer the #1 target of GCA
« Reply #42 on: February 27, 2006, 11:19:17 AM »
Cars?  Who needs cars.  Just take a skiff across the bay, or if you're the Donald, just walk across the water. Hamptons traffic is gun-in-the-mouth stuff.



"if you're the Donald, just walk accross the water"

This may rank as the best quote so far in 2006 ;D
Live Jupiter, Fl, was  4 handicap, played top 100 US, top 75 World. Great memories, no longer play, 4 back surgeries. I don't miss a lot of things about golf, life is simpler with out it. I miss my 60 degree wedge shots, don't miss nasty weather, icing, back spasms. Last course I played was Augusta

Jay Flemma

Re:It Official - Donald Trump is no longer the #1 target of GCA
« Reply #43 on: February 27, 2006, 12:39:35 PM »
I have to say that I'm surprised that the guy who wrote the book on bandon would come out and say that there are shaved chipping areas here because when I was there thats one thing I was SPECIFICALLY look ing for and they were WAY to small or non-existent.

Also shoicked he'd say it looks almost like a links at sunset...the best undulations on the site are all WAY out of play...

Patrick_Mucci

Re:It Official - Donald Trump is no longer the #1 target of GCA
« Reply #44 on: March 05, 2006, 04:23:42 PM »
Mike Sweeney,

I'm surprised by all of the negative comments regarding Liberty National, especially when noone's played it yet.

In an era when more and more courses are beoming NLE's why would you fault a man's efforts to build a golf course in the center of one of the most densely populated areas in the country.

He had the vision to acquire and old industrial site with a myriad of problems, go through a 5 or 6 year permiting process, comply with strict environmental constraints and build a golf course in an unusual way.   And, he did it by spending his own money.

Everyone's throwing stones based upon what personal, first hand information ?

You should be applauding the efforts.

As to the merits of the golf course, I think it should be played before it's evaluated.

I know Tom Huckaby will love it due to the great views of the harbor and Manhattan.

As to the cost of condo's and membership, I would think that a man who sinks $ 129,000,000 and 6+ years into a project is entitled to attempt to recapture his investment.

And, Liberty Nationals membership's are no more expensive then those at Sebonack, so why the negativism ?  Or, is this just an example of "most favored nation" status at its best ? ;D

Tom_Doak

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Re:It Official - Donald Trump is no longer the #1 target of GCA
« Reply #45 on: March 05, 2006, 04:26:12 PM »
Trump landed his helicopter at Sebonack to go to the U.S. Open in 2004.  However, I'm not sure he would be welcome to land there starting this spring.

Bill_McBride

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Re:It Official - Donald Trump is no longer the #1 target of GCA
« Reply #46 on: March 05, 2006, 05:44:06 PM »
I like the idea of taking a "launch" over to the course from Wall street, right by the Statue of Liberty.  That would be an inspiring way to get ready for a round of golf!