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Paul_Turner

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Famous Courses that Really Turn
« on: February 16, 2006, 11:38:38 AM »
Thinking about Hoylake and this year's Open.  Now that's a famous course that has a lot of doglegs of various types.  Perhaps more than any other Open rota course? (I haven't though about this in detail)

What are some other famous courses that turn a lot?  And I mean a lot.

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As an opposite: TOC is obviously a course that hardly turns at all eventhough a tacking or zig-zagging line of play is often the best.
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Mike Hendren

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Re:Famous Courses that Really Turn
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2006, 11:41:17 AM »
Augusta National Golf Club
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Pete Lavallee

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Re:Famous Courses that Really Turn
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2006, 11:51:47 AM »
Riviera
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Mark_Rowlinson

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Re:Famous Courses that Really Turn
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2006, 11:57:00 AM »
In the UK Kingsbarns, Royal Portrush from the 5th to 13th, Prestwick, Formby, Burnham and Berrow, Walton Heath, Wentworth West, Notts and I don't recall many straight holes on Swinley Forest or St George's Hill.
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Brian Gracely

Re:Famous Courses that Really Turn
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2006, 12:05:36 PM »
Mark - Prestwick?  1, 2, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 17, 18 are all basically straight holes.  
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Mark_Rowlinson

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Re:Famous Courses that Really Turn
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2006, 12:07:26 PM »
Brian, I'm sure you are right - senility creeping in!

Does a course have to have dog-legs?  Can you have too many dog-legs?  What do the top players think about dog-legs?
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Rick Shefchik

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Re:Famous Courses that Really Turn
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2006, 12:09:00 PM »
Hazeltine.

The only perfectly straight holes on the course are the par 3s, and before they remodled 16, that was said to be the only dogleg par 3 in the world.
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Paul_Turner

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Re:Famous Courses that Really Turn
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2006, 12:12:22 PM »
Quote from: Mark_Rowlinson on February 16, 2006, 12:07:26 PM
Brian, I'm sure you are right - senility creeping in!

Does a course have to have dog-legs?  Can you have too many dog-legs?  What do the top players think about dog-legs?

Mark,

I don't think a course has to turn to be great it's just another variation.

Thinking of a great modern course that doesn't really turn:  Pacific Dunes.  Especially if you play 9 upper.  But the hazards are placed so you often do play the holes in a zig-zag manner.
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mark chalfant

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Re:Famous Courses that Really Turn
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2006, 12:59:15 PM »
Paul;  Deepdale by Dick Wilson has several good doglegs, the par five  #2 is very nice, as is the  380 yard ninth
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Glenn Spencer

Re:Famous Courses that Really Turn
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2006, 12:59:23 PM »
Correct me if I am wrong, just remembering from 01, but doesn't Southern Hills have quite a decent amount of turn in it?
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Mark Arata

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Re:Famous Courses that Really Turn
« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2006, 01:25:15 PM »
From what I can remember, Olympic Lake turns quite a bit......

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Dan Moore

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Re:Famous Courses that Really Turn
« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2006, 01:50:19 PM »
Cog Hill

#1, #7 #11 #16 and #17 have marked turns and some of the others bend a little this way and that.  

Royal Portrush already mentioned was the first to spring to mind and one where the bends really contribute to the character of the course.  #5 #7 #8 #13 and #15 in particular.  
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redanman

Re:Famous Courses that Really Turn
« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2006, 01:54:11 PM »
Not famous, but Gary Player's Dolphin Head on HHI even has a dog-leg par 3. :)  It's easily the most doglegs I've ever seen.  I haven't google Earth-ed it, but it's turney.
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James Bennett

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Re:Famous Courses that Really Turn
« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2006, 02:40:28 PM »
Any course designed by Vern Morcom in Australia really turns.  Often earlier than you might like, but really turns and often. :D

But not many of them are famous.  The most notable are Royal Hobart, Spring Valley (Melbourne), Grange East and resdesign of the West (Adelaide) and parts of the 1950's redesign of Glenelg (Adelaide).

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Tom_Doak

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Re:Famous Courses that Really Turn
« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2006, 03:05:43 PM »
Dick Wilson must have been really into doglegs, judging from Deepdale and Meadow Brook.

The first course that comes to mind for me is Ballybunion ... those last three holes are all sharp doglegs, and so are #1 and #6.
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MikeJones

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Re:Famous Courses that Really Turn
« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2006, 04:03:23 PM »
Wentworth west has more than it's fair share, especially the back 9.

A lot of those holes don't so much have a dogleg as much as a constantly curving fairway. I've always though that this type of fairway makes for testing driving holes for all strengths of player. If you're a long hitter, it's not really possible to 'cut' the corner as such, you sort of have to work it around there.
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