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Dan King

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Re:Is Speed of Play Cultural?
« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2006, 03:07:38 PM »
TEPaul writes:
Is the USGA responsible for getting us into this quagmire in Iraq too?

I didn't really want to post this here, but I guess since you asked I feel it is my duty.

In 1920 while George Herbert Walker was USGA president there was an effort to overthrow the British rule in Iraq and replace it with a monarchy. The idea started in New York, with the desire to stretch the USGA influence beyond North America. It was felt Iraq could be the foothold in the Middle East for an International USGA presence in that region. Once Iraq, it would just be a matter of time before the rest of the Middle East came under the thumb of the USGA.

It was slow going, and the R&A was fierce in their fight to hold onto Iraq. After World War I, it also became apparent there might be more than just handicap fees at stake. Oil became much more valuable. There are also rumors Prescott Bush wanted to draw attention away from his fictious medals he claimed he earned in WWI.

The intrigue went on for years, but by 1935 when Prescott Bush was president of the USGA, and working with the OSS, the organization was very active in trying to overthrow the R&A backed government of Iraq. In 1935, the Hashimite monarchy took over in Iraq and it was assumed the USGA would take over quickly. Shortly after Mussolini invaded Ethiopia, and the Iraq monarch was able to delay any action about handicapping until after the war ended.

If you ever get a chance to see the first Bond movie, A Good Walk Spoiled much of this era was covered in that early Bond movie. It's based on the OSS/USGA vs MI5/R&A battles around the world. The word was the studio backed down from releasing it after the Bush's threatened them with a lawsuit.

Without a Bush or a Walker in charge, the USGA started concentrating more on the Canadian, Mexican and Cuban governments, and didn't pay as much attention to the Middle East. The Soviet Union, attempting to get into the lucrative handicapping fees supported the overthrow of the Hashmites and installed  Brigadier General Abdul Karim Qassim into power with the understanding that they would use Soviet handicapping software.

Have you ever tried to use software created in the Soviet Union?

The dream of Iraq, the cradle of civilization, and its conversion to the USGA was often a topic of family conversation at the Bush dinner table. George H.W. Bush grew up with the dream of his father and grandfather. When he got involved in the oil business after WWII, it was just a cover to work for the USGA dream. He ended up working with the CIA, finally getting the  Arab Socialist Ba'ath Party to overthrow the Iraq government in 1968. Bush was repaid for his efforts in 1975 by becoming the director of the CIA.

Again, Iraq delayed the process of putting USGA terminals in every proshop, saying it was taking a long time to disentangle the Soviet software. When Saddam Hussein took over in 1979 the process was underway, but Hussein put a stop to it, going back to the R&A. Bush was furious, once again seeing Iraq ruining the Walker/Bush dream of Middle Eastern conquest. He vowed revenge.

It was left to his son to ultimately get revenge.

An alternate story is that Hussein's operatives stole Geronimo's skull from Yale's Skull and Bones. Prescott Bush stole the skull fair and square, and the Bush family would get their revenge eventually. But I haven't figured out yet how to tie the USGA into that theory.

Anyway, now you know the rest of the story.

Dan King
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Some have argued we should wait, and that's an option. In my view, it's the riskiest of all options, because the longer we wait, the stronger and bolder Saddam Hussein will become.
 --George W. Bush
« Last Edit: January 27, 2006, 12:08:42 AM by Dan King »

Mark_Rowlinson

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Re:Is Speed of Play Cultural?
« Reply #26 on: January 26, 2006, 03:20:36 PM »
Sean, With whom is the interview, Bin Laden, by any chance?

Kyle Harris

Re:Is Speed of Play Cultural?
« Reply #27 on: January 26, 2006, 03:39:51 PM »
Most rangers I've seen do more harm than good. Most have no concept of the "flow" of a golf course.

When I rangered at PSUGC and PineCrest I absolutely made sure that the course was flowing. Slow play can be caused by a number of things, including volume. Same thing when I started... those two people can do a lot to keep things moving out there, especially since golfers are less and less able and willing to take things in their own hands.

A ranger should be checking pace of play through the sixth and twelfth hole. A ranger should ensure that par 3s don't become back logged back making groups hit their approaches when the group in front reaches the green. The ranger should also cross check starting times and finishing times with the starter.

It's makes the staff more aware.

A.G._Crockett

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Re:Is Speed of Play Cultural?
« Reply #28 on: January 26, 2006, 03:44:20 PM »
DanKing,
That was great; finally, a post on GCA that my wife will read and enjoy.  Thanks for the creativity.
"Golf...is usually played with the outward appearance of great dignity.  It is, nevertheless, a game of considerable passion, either of the explosive type, or that which burns inwardly and sears the soul."      Bobby Jones

Dan King

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Re:Is Speed of Play Cultural?
« Reply #29 on: January 26, 2006, 03:44:29 PM »
Sean Arble writes:
I have no reply other than it is time to uncork another bottle of red ale.  You have driven me to actions which are potentially life changing.  Is there no way you can tempt me back from the edge?  I have an interview tomorrow at 8:50!

While never one to downplay the assistance of red ale, I've found before any life changing events such as job interviews pharmaceutical work much better than fermented liquids. (But take that with a grain of something or other, I haven't really worked in many years, and about all that is open to me now without a drug test is to work in a head shop.)

I've also found certain mind altering drugs help bring all these conspiracy theories together. I've probably already said plenty to get my phone tapped. Maybe you better be careful what you send me via email.

Dan King
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There are two major products that came out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence.
 --Jeremy S. Anderson

Patrick_Mucci

Re:Is Speed of Play Cultural?
« Reply #30 on: January 26, 2006, 04:29:09 PM »
Sean Arble,

To answer your original question,  YES

TEPaul

Re:Is Speed of Play Cultural?
« Reply #31 on: January 26, 2006, 07:08:25 PM »
Dan King:

#27 was beautiful. Way to go. You didn't mention George Herbert Walker and Prescott Bush were both members of "The Room". You know what "The Room" was (is) don't you?

Who was George Herbert Walker? Was that the Little Shrub's great uncle or his grandfather on the other side? Obviously he was the guy who gave the Walker Cup, right? Did you know the format of the Walker Cup, inspired by the Lesley Cup was actually a compromise move engineered by Lawrence of Arabia and the R&A? Apparently the USGA was furious.
« Last Edit: January 26, 2006, 07:12:36 PM by TEPaul »

Dan King

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Re:Is Speed of Play Cultural?
« Reply #32 on: January 26, 2006, 08:51:53 PM »
TEPaul writes:
You didn't mention George Herbert Walker and Prescott Bush were both members of "The Room". You know what "The Room" was (is) don't you?

Is that "The Room" of Skull and Bones fame or something else?

Who was George Herbert Walker? Was that the Little Shrub's great uncle or his grandfather on the other side?

Bert Walker was Preston Bush's father-in-law, George H.W. Bush's grandfather and little shrub's great grandfather.

Did you know the format of the Walker Cup, inspired by the Lesley Cup was actually a compromise move engineered by Lawrence of Arabia and the R&A? Apparently the USGA was furious.

Cool. I can easily see how Lawrence fits into the whole war between MI5/R&A vs. USGA/OSS battles prior to WWII over the Middle East. I didn't even get into the whole Walker/Bush/W.A. Harriman/USGA/Nazi connection.

And don't ever get me started on the Alexis de Tocqueville Society of the United Way and St. Ann’s Church in Kennebunkport, Maine.

Dan King
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Finished with my woman 'cause she couldn't help me with my mind
People think I'm insane because I am frowning all the time
All day long I think of things but nothing seems to satisfy
Think I'll lose my mind if I don't find something to pacify
Can you help me, occupy my brain?
Oh yeah
I need someone to show me the things in life that I can't find
I can't see the things that make true happiness, I must be blind
Make a joke and I will sigh and you will laugh and I will cry
Happiness I cannot feel and love to me is so unreal
And so as you hear these words telling you now of my state
I tell you to enjoy life I wish I could but it's too late
 --Tony Iommi, John Osbourne, Terry Butler & Bill Ward

TEPaul

Re:Is Speed of Play Cultural?
« Reply #33 on: January 26, 2006, 09:20:42 PM »
Don't forget Lady Astor and the Cliveden Set, Dan.

"Mr. Shaw, we should make a baby. Can you imagine what we could produce with your mind and my body?"
Isadora Duncan

"Miss Duncan, what if the baby had my body and your mind?"
George Bernard Shaw