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Philip Gawith

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Cape Kidnappers (pictures)
« on: January 18, 2006, 09:17:19 AM »
Here are some pictures of this wonderful course. You sure don't get to Hawkes Bay, New Zealand by accident, but it is a great part of the world with the town of Napier and all the fine wineries.

As for the course - a sensational location, probably even better than Bandon, Pebble and NSW. Indeed, the site is so scenic that you could make a (cute) case that the golf struggles to stay with it. And the drive up to the clubhouse - 15 min from the public road - is unique, creating an amazing sense of anticipation.

The main impressions I took away were:
- quite a forgiving course; very broad fairways even by Doak standards (but hugely affected by the wind, as with all sea courses) which encourage the use of the driver.
- the fairways, with some exceptions, possibly less rumpled than on some of his other courses;
- bunkering much less dramatic than at Pacific Dunes, Barnbougle or St Andrews Beach (because less sandy?);
- green contouring less marked than at these courses;
- done a great job for women. My wife really enjoyed it and was able to play 5182 yards vs 7137 I played.
- fantastic "sheep-station" styled clubhouse; quite small and simple, but beautifully appointed.

No doubt Tom will correct any egregious misunderstandings. :)

It is a very, very different proposition to Barnbougle - costs you roughly 6 times as much to play for a day (600 Kiwi dollars vs A$100), and clearly is not appealing to the public in the same way.

Holes I remember most:

1 - challenging opener, requiring good drive and lengthy second to hit the green.
5 - clever central bunker forces you to choose left or right off the tee.
6 - epic short hole over a valley.
7 - One of the best holes. If your drive clears the fairway mound you have a short-iron in. But wind makes a huge difference - in the morning I cleared the brow and hit a wedge 2nd shot; in the pm, into a strong wind, my drive did not clear the hill and rolled all the way back down the fairway into the rough!
12 - Righly called "Infinity" - looks like you are hitting your approach into the ocean. You have to be brave to hit the ball all the way to the flag.
14 A fun short two shotter with Devil's asshole type bunker in the green. (Very long carry off the wind - pm I hit a decent drive off the back and was mortified not to make the fairway)
15 - much photographed par 5 - feels like the longest, straightest, flattest fairway you will play, but calamitous if you stray from the short grass. 16 that follows (back to back 5's - is reachable in two). Quite fun with the two going in opposite directions, in immediate succession. One is going to be a brute and the other possibly in range (though you have to be a big hitter to get home on 15 at 600-650 yards, though not impossible given how flat the fairway is).
17 -excellent tough par 4 to elevated green, in the mould of the first hole and reminds of No 10 at St Andrew's Beach, though longer.
18 - a difficult if not dramatic finish, with an interesting green hidden behind the slope.

Pictures:

Approach to first



Third hole (215 yards)




Third green



Sixth hole (225 yards)




5th green?




Approach to Seven




Looking back at Seven




Eighth green with seven behind




Approach to Ten




Eleventh (224 yards)




Approach to Twelve (Infinity)




Thirteen (130 yards)




Fourteen




Bunker on side of Fifteen green




Sixteen




Approach to Seventeen




Eighteenth green



Misc - hopefully these last two help give some sense of the property, sea to one side, mountains in the mid-distance to the other.



Misc 2


Jerry Kluger

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Re:Cape Kidnappers (pictures)
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2006, 09:37:38 AM »
Thanks for the great pictures.  There is no question that it is a fantastic golfing experience but what also appears to me is how the course gives the feeling that it has retained the characteristics and beauty of the land as it was.  The course, like Bandon, is a wonderful testament to all that is good about golf courses besides the recreation which they offer.  

Robert Kimball

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Re:Cape Kidnappers (pictures)
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2006, 11:13:36 AM »
Holy skyline greens, Batman!!!

George Pazin

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Re:Cape Kidnappers (pictures)
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2006, 01:40:04 PM »
Thanks for the pics. First ones I've seen that didn't make me dizzy.
Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04

Tom_Doak

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Re:Cape Kidnappers (pictures)
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2006, 04:21:56 PM »
Philip:

Nice to see the course looking properly brown around the edges!  And I'm always glad to hear when the ladies are able to get around OK.

Anyone who played in the Renaissance Cup a year ago December is going to dispute you on the subject of the course being called "forgiving", because we played in 30 MPH crosswinds and the surface was extra-firm.  Some of the fairways are 70 yards across but it still wasn't enough for everyone that week.

There is more greens contour than meets the eye, but most of it follows the natural tilt of the ground, instead of being full of small undulations as on a dunesy site.  Similarly, the fairways have their tilt feeding into some major swales, and the bunkers hang off the edges of the land instead of building them up.

Philip Gawith

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Re:Cape Kidnappers (pictures)
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2006, 05:25:51 AM »
Tom, there was a very big difference between playing in the morning when it was calm - and forgiving - and the pm, when quite a strong wind made it a much harder proposition. Indeed, back markers were fine am, but I probably should have moved up a set pm. "Roomy off the tee" might have been more apt than "forgiving", though you certainly need the room when it is blowy.

A.G._Crockett

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Re:Cape Kidnappers (pictures)
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2006, 09:38:20 AM »
Does this make you want to call in sick and go play golf today, or what? :)
"Golf...is usually played with the outward appearance of great dignity.  It is, nevertheless, a game of considerable passion, either of the explosive type, or that which burns inwardly and sears the soul."      Bobby Jones

Andy Hughes

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Re:Cape Kidnappers (pictures)
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2006, 01:15:35 PM »
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Does this make you want to call in sick and go play golf today, or what?
AG, oh yeah,  cause my local muni looks quite a bit like the pics  ::)
"Perhaps I'm incorrect..."--P. Mucci 6/7/2007

ed_getka

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Re:Cape Kidnappers (pictures)
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2006, 01:59:42 PM »
Philip,
    Thanks for posting the pix, and telling us your thoughts on the course. I presume 600 kiwi dollars is still a lot of US $, was it worth the green fee?
     Now I will really put you on the spot, feel free to IM me if you would rather. I'm making my trip in just over a year, and plan to play Barnbougle along with the usual suspects, and St Andrews Beach most likely, but which would you choose if you could only play one, BD or CK?
     Would love to hear more about your trip.
"Perimeter-weighted fairways", The best euphemism for containment mounding I've ever heard.

Ash Towe

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Re:Cape Kidnappers (pictures)
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2006, 04:16:13 PM »
Ed,
I think the greenfee at CK for overseas players is $NZ400 and not $600.
I have played at CK and Barnbougle and have walked round St Andrews Beach.  For a one off round I would choose CK.  This choice is not based solely on architecture but would include the setting and scenery which is amazing.  Having said that Barbbougle is a great course and St Andrews Beach will get increased recognition as more people play it.

Tom_Doak

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Re:Cape Kidnappers (pictures)
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2006, 04:41:42 PM »
I wish we had built St. Andrews Beach six or seven years ago when I first laid it out ... I think it would have made a lot more noise then, than on the heels of Cape Kidnappers and Barnbougle.

Jay Flemma

Re:Cape Kidnappers (pictures)
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2006, 05:04:28 PM »
Those photos are fantastic.

A.G._Crockett

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Re:Cape Kidnappers (pictures)
« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2006, 09:15:52 PM »
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Does this make you want to call in sick and go play golf today, or what?
AG, oh yeah,  cause my local muni looks quite a bit like the pics  ::)

Andy,
Sorry; I MEANT to type "Does this make you want to call in sick, fly to New Zealand, and play golf today, or what?"

My bad... ::)
"Golf...is usually played with the outward appearance of great dignity.  It is, nevertheless, a game of considerable passion, either of the explosive type, or that which burns inwardly and sears the soul."      Bobby Jones

Philip Gawith

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Re:Cape Kidnappers (pictures)
« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2006, 05:37:58 AM »
Ash is correct 400 Kiwi dollars for a round for overseas visitor; the second round on the day is half price, hence the 600 figure.

Ed - it is expensive but I certainly think it was worth the green fee to see such a unique property.

I think I probably agree with Ash. If I had one round only, I would probably choose Kidnappers over Barnbougle on the basis that it is a more singular/distinctive golfing experience than Barnbougle. It is a pretty invidious choice to have to make and Barnbougle wins on grounds of cost and convenience and may even be a better golf course ( I have not fully thought it through).

But what Mark Ferguson pointed out elsewhere is true - part of the ballyhoo around Barnbougle is because of where it is. Great fun though it is, and good course that it is, it would make less noise in Ireland or Scotland. It is a very good links course, whereas Kidnappers is a unique site that is worth seeing.


Mark_Guiniven

Re:Cape Kidnappers (pictures)
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2006, 06:48:14 PM »
Tom Doak,

I found you an inclined railway for you-know-what over the holidays. Enjoy!

Mark,


ed_getka

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Re:Cape Kidnappers (pictures)
« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2006, 11:28:40 AM »
Philip,
  I'm going to have to send you over to Ireland before I go in 2009. :D All the feedback and photos have been VERY useful in formulating my plans.
« Last Edit: March 18, 2006, 05:02:48 PM by ed_getka »
"Perimeter-weighted fairways", The best euphemism for containment mounding I've ever heard.