whaddya think about the other Dyes work???

[PThomas]

Lost Canyon came up on another thread, which   made me think of this topic

Ruffled Feathers, close by Cog Hill, is a Pete and PB work, they say.....probably a Doak 5, max

I also played one in Myrtle Beach, but can't even remember the name, probably due to both the fact that I played it a LONG time ago and the fact that it wasn't truly memorable

and there's another Dye that is NOT related to Pete, can't remember his first name, think he did that one course in NM...

[Garland Bayley]

Pete has two sons. They have divided the country at the Mississippi. Perhaps the Denver based one did the course in NM.

[redanman]

The "Other Dyes" had a Denver office right off I-25 for years.  They had a hand in  such varied work as Riverdale Dunes (with a lot of on-site work by Tom Doak) which is rather good and  Plum Creek which I believe had Pete's influence as well (not quite as good) and the "abysmally unusual" Glenmoor (suffering form land-o-penia one must admit).  I'd have to say the oeuvre has a bit of variability.

Perry is the one in Denver now, PB is in MD I believe.

[A.G._Crockett]

I've played three P.B. Dye courses; Moorlands at M.B., the original course at St. James Plantation at Southport, NC, and Atlanta National here in Roswell, GA.  They were all fun to play once or twice, and there are some very good holes on all, especially Atlanta Natl.  I would not particularly like to play any of them on a regular basis, I don't think, and I have no interest in ever setting foot on the Moorlands course again with two vastly superior courses on the same property.  Too many holes are much too severe, with a strong goofy (as opposed to quirk) element.

You're probably referring to Ken Dye as the unrelated GCA.  Cobblestone, a muni that he did in Acworth, GA, is excellent; consistently ranked among the best courses in GA and rightfully so.  There have been some strong opinions here about some other work he has done, but Cobblestone is outstanding.

[PThomas]

AG - you are correct, it is Ken Dye who did Pinon Hills, often touted as an unbelievable value= a very good course at a really low green fee

and you are also right about the Moorlands...as I said it's been more than 20 years since I was there....all I can remember is an almost impossibly difficult tee shot on a dogleg right par 5, I think

[mike_malone]

 Iron Valley , by PB according to golfcourse.com, is fun but awkward at times. He uses several quarry digouts well, but then has a very awkward par five or two with blind downhill teeshots to narrow landing areas and severe penalties.

   #10 has a neat green that ramps up like #1 at PVGC, so that recovery is difficult. It is challenging and fun.There is an island par three which is totally exposed to the wind. Is it fun? We keep hitting balls until we get on.; so yes. But he has one of those uphill par threes were you are just hitting and hoping.

    While I have found Pete 's hazards strategic (at Bulle Rock) sometimes PB's strike me as "That's a neat hole in the ground with a rock side to it; let's put a golf hole there."

    So, I end up thinking this had potential to be something special but fell short.

[Robert Kimball]

Atlanta National here in Roswell, GA.  They were all fun to play once or twice, and there are some very good holes on all, especially Atlanta Natl.  

You're probably referring to Ken Dye as the unrelated GCA.  Cobblestone, a muni that he did in Acworth, GA, is excellent; consistently ranked among the best courses in GA and rightfully so.  There have been some strong opinions here about some other work he has done, but Cobblestone is outstanding.

AG -- I was going to chime in on ATL National. It got a "0" on the Doak scale (he saw it right after opening), but maybe it would be a little higher today. They have softened it up since then, and it plays a little more consistent today. Still, there are a lot of quirky holes (including an island green). You should have seen 16 before they graded it -- it looked like bombs had landed in the fairway.

Cobblestone was a lot of fun to play. I thought they renamed it The Bolders for some reason.

[A.G._Crockett]

Atlanta National here in Roswell, GA.  They were all fun to play once or twice, and there are some very good holes on all, especially Atlanta Natl.  

You're probably referring to Ken Dye as the unrelated GCA.  Cobblestone, a muni that he did in Acworth, GA, is excellent; consistently ranked among the best courses in GA and rightfully so.  There have been some strong opinions here about some other work he has done, but Cobblestone is outstanding.

Cobblestone was a lot of fun to play. I thought they renamed it The Bolders for some reason.

Rob,
It was the other way around; it was originally The Boulders, and the course out west made them change, with Cobblestone becoming the new name.  Excellent course, especially for a muni, by any name.

[A_Clay_Man]

 There have been some strong opinions here about some other work he has done, but Cobblestone is outstanding.

They read more like conscience efforts to discredit the man.

I find it hard to believe a coourse that once was given five stars, can't even sniff a top 100 ranking. Pinon Hills is better than most. Ken has quite a few well respected designs. Battlement mesa, painted Desert / dunes(?) El paso, tx. Dalton Ranch, Durango. And how could I forget paa-ko-Ridge

I believe wholeheartedly that Joe Finger's input on the 8th green at ANGC had a profound impact on many of the design principles I've seen repeated in Ken's work.

[Lawrence Largent]

I've played Atlanta National and I've known a few guys that were members there and dropped out because they said it got old having your butt kicked everytime you play. I've also played Cherokee National which used to be The Guantlet in the Upstate of South Carolina. This course has about 10 really really good holes then the other ones are either way to severe or just plain goofy.

Lawrence

[Chris Neff]

Andy Dye,who I believe is a nephew of Pete's, just designed a course in Jacksonville,FL called Panter Creek. A community course on the Westside of town that is really starting to boom with development. Golf course is very long from the back tees and is a true challenge. Got some of Pete's ideas with use of railroad ties around the course and used centipede grass in the bunker faces for contrast. It slowly has picked up play but just starting to build a clubhouse and the 3rd 9 is being built right now.

Chris Neff