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Andrew Summerell

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Redesigning Greenside Bunkers Without Recontouring The Green
« on: January 04, 2006, 09:25:01 PM »
Is this possible?

A course, not too far from where I live, contracted a local golf course architect to redesign all the greenside bunkers. There are 40 greenside bunkers on the course, of which 2 are being removed & another 2 are being created, retaining the number of 40.

When looking at the plans I noticed that none of the greens were being recontoured. I thought this was strange, but felt it was best to wait until the first installment of work was done. Well, the first 4 holes have been done & virtually no green contours have been touched. It is very noticeable that the greens haven’t been touched, making the bunkers look extremely unnatural.

Obviously, the club were trying to save money, but should the architect agreed to their requests?

Is there a way of bunkers being redesigned without recontouring the green? I would have thought not, but I would be interested to hear everyone’s input.

Mark_Fine

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Re:Redesigning Greenside Bunkers Without Recontouring The Green
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2006, 10:36:52 PM »
Andrew,
Sure it's possible.  A lot depends on what was there in the first place.  How good it turns out will depend on the skill of the architect and contractor and of course the quality of the design for their additions/changes.  

Architects like Flynn sometimes didn't put bunkers in (though mostly fairway bunkers) until after the course was played for a while.  And I guarantee you that he didn't recontour all the greens when he mades such additions  ;)
Mark

Scott Witter

Re:Redesigning Greenside Bunkers Without Recontouring The Green
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2006, 08:53:00 AM »
Andrew:  Naturally it is possible and it can be done with great success, but this depends on many factors, some of which the architect may have no control over.

Some architects have more ability convincing their clients about the value of recontouring portions of the green surfaces, if in fact it is needed to begin with and others simply will be powerless.  I think it is important to first determine if recontouring is even necessary.  Not always, depending on how old the course is, should the design integrity be preserved? will this be needed.  I think you also understand that a project like this often isn't as straight-forward as you might think.  There are many decisions being made and countless other factors being considered behind the scenes that influence the final project scope.  I would agree that if the greens REALLY need recontouring, the architect should do everything in their power to explain/show the project committee the value in this work as well.

If the architect is not able to convince the club, well then the ethical/business side of the practice will make the decision for architect on an individual basis.  That is a whole other discussion.

Costs will also influence the decision and while the architect may be right to recontour, the club will make the final decision in this regard.  Perhaps it might be better to scale down the project and rebuild fewer bunkers and do the recontouring on those green sites instead of just doing all the bunkers.  This may build momentum in the membership and allow the project to continue with better financial support for phase 2 the following year.  Maybe even the architect should attempt to convince the club not to do any work at the moment and wait a year to raise more money to support the recontouring as well?  They could always choose one green site with bunkers and do this one as a trial and show the club the benefits.  This might generate more support for your concerns.

When you say the bunkers look unnatural, how so?  Was the style changed to no longer fit the original design?  Do they not relate to the green surfaces?

Certainly the bunkers could be redesigned and rebuilt to work well without touching the green surfaces, but this may not be the best approach, or it just might be what the doctor ordered?!  Also, it could be that the architect doesn't know how to approach recontouring the greens?

W.H. Cosgrove

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Re:Redesigning Greenside Bunkers Without Recontouring The Green
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2006, 02:19:58 PM »
Is it possible to tie the contours created by "splash" back into the bunker without redoing the putting surface?  

We attempted this at my home club with varying success.  The sand build up had created interesting putting surfaces but bunker lips of pure sand were difficult to maintain.  removing the buildup created unnatural contour flow.

If we had had the $$$ I would have preferred to lift the turf on the putting surface and recountour to the bunker.  

Yannick Pilon

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Re:Redesigning Greenside Bunkers Without Recontouring The Green
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2006, 12:16:19 PM »

... should the architect agreed to their requests?

A lot of architects simply don't have the luxury to agree to the club's request and turn down the job.  You just do the best you can to tie-in everything you do with the existing stuff.

Would I prefer re-surfacing the green or even re-build the green in such a situation?  Most of the time I would say yes, but some situations occur where everything can tie-in without any more work.  Then, its just better to redo the bunkers without touching anything else.

Its all case specific....
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