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paul cowley

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'Faux'...Strategy or just plain 'Folly'.
« on: December 17, 2005, 08:32:15 AM »
Some of you might consider this thread a deviant offshoot of the 'thread that will not die', still playing in theater 2 next door....which has mercifully morphed into 'alpinization' [which probably deserves its own thread], but.....

Way back in another era, planners of large estates began to employ a design element called a 'Folly' in simple terms....while over in France the King was building the 'la petite trianon', a Folly of much more complexity ;).
Follies were generally new temples or ruins, classical in nature but not always, that were constructed within the landscape to provide interest and /or a place to gather.
I like to think that Follies were invented to fulfill a need.
...the Roman Empire had fallen 400 years earlier and probably by then some of their structures probably decayed into what some might find romantic ruins that I am sure dotted the countryside and were visited by many ....if you were lucky enough to have one on your estate, why that was great, but if not, why not create your own and place it where it would serve its best purpose?.....and so it went.

Some years back, after playing many of the great courses, I became intrigued with the use of hardscape elements as part of the strategy of many very successful holes....walls, ruins, structures etc.....and became equally frustrated because it became very hard to find a site that had pre-existing features where one might design with.
So, I decided to start experimenting with creating these same elements that were lacking, but with one proviso, these 'features' had to be central to the strategy of the hole, being only decorative would not do.....and they equally had to be believable, not only as part part of the landscape, but from a historical perspective as well.....i.e. no gothic castles in Kansas.

My first attempt in what I refer to as trying to put Davis Loves career in 'ruins', was with a four hole crossing in a dead flat area on the Love Barefoot course.
Although panned by some, the course was recently ranked by Golf Digest as the best in Myrtle Beach...and I have no doubt it would not be atop that dubious heap if it was not for the little extra provided by the STRATEGIC FOLLY, ...I mean ruins.

Since then I have been building strategic follies in the large scale shape of a civil war era earthen fortress on a course called the Patriot and of late we are building 60 acres of faux strategic ricefields on a course to be named Ricefields.

Like Dyes crossties, I think this design feature use will stand the test of time........I only hope Tom Macwood lives that long to let us know! ;)
« Last Edit: December 17, 2005, 03:32:00 PM by paul cowley »
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Adam_F_Collins

Re:'Faux'...Strategy or just plain 'Folly'.
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2005, 09:51:37 AM »
Paul,

Interesting topic.

My thoughts are that such 'follies' need the same delicate sense of the 'natural', oddly enough. The key in my view is to make them seem as 'real' as possible. I've thought along the lines of a grave yard, or stone outcropping - but whatever it may be, care must be taken to make it as 'real' as possible. I might even go to the point of creating some kind of story or 'legend' to go along with it (what's wrong with inventing a little history eh?  ;) )

It is for this reason that I didn't like the photos I saw of Barefoot - the brick structure didn't look real to me, and therefore bothered me - just as a big, contrived, geometric bunker or landform might. One needs to do whatever it takes to create age, patina, or whatever to make it appear real - maybe planting moss or lichens on the structure, weathering it with a sandblaster, whatever... perhaps set designers could be consulted a bit...

But I think that in essence, they are no different than any other construction on a golf course - landscape or hardscape - they need to appear natural...

paul cowley

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Re:'Faux'...Strategy or just plain 'Folly'.
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2005, 10:26:36 AM »
Adam...some times pictures don't always convey well.
...but what you suggest was really very much our approach.

First we built up the four hole green and tee complex 12 to 14 ft to create a believable house site, where one would have placed the ante-bellum mansion....up high enough to overlook the fields [and to create terrain interest for the golf holes]....we used old brick and worked hard to distress the ruins and walls as our historical story line was that these ruins were what was left after the Yankees burned the place.
We, being good designers and respecting the history of the tract, decided to incorporate these ruins as part of the strategy of the golf holes....most who don't know better don't question the storyline.....we have even been praised by professionals for saving part of the history of the state.

Unfortunately from what I can see from pictures, the current owner has taken to landscaping these ruins with vines and shrubs, something I refused to do while there...grass is all any ruin needs, but there is always a crowd that would plant a hedge around Stonehenge, just to pretty it up ::).
paul cowley...golf course architect/asgca

BCrosby

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Re:'Faux'...Strategy or just plain 'Folly'.
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2005, 11:55:22 AM »
Paul -

I've always liked the folly idea. I like what you did at Barefoot. It's something I wish more architects used.

Some things I've wondered why archies haven't exploited more -

- tabby ruins on courses on the sea islands
- old barns on upland/piedmont courses (Mike Young has used one to good effect)
- old naked chimneys (like the ones Sherman left behind ;))
- exposed clay washouts a la Cuscowilla (why it took two outsiders like C&C to introduce them to the SE is beyond me. They are natural to the SE (there was one behind the house I grew up in), require zero maintenance and are wierdly beautiful)
- kudzu in lieu of water hazards
- kudzu overgrowth on artificial structures in lieu of trees
- cart paths used as the "Road" is used on the 17th at TOC (Eger/Fazio almost pulled this off at the 10th at Crabapple)
- simple metal cow fences (you see them everywhere in the SE) with over-growing vines or privet hedges. The redneck equivalent of Scottish gorse.

In short, use the hell out of native buildings and flora.

(And if anyone objects to the foregoing because kudzu is not native to the SE, I would point out that it has been around almost as long as Bermuda grass has.)

You make a good point about the importance of their strategic role. This stuff should not be used as scenery, but only to the extent it affects actual golf shots.

Bring it on. Think outside the box.

Bob

P.S. Thinking more about the cart path thing. There have to be ways to convert them from a design liability to a design opportunity. Make them a part of the course that golfers play. As it is, the only time you hear them discussed is in the context of hiding them.

Finding ways to integrate them into playing strategies - as is often the case with roads and paths on UK courses - ought to be something American architects jump on with both feet. Primarily because they are a uniquely American design problem. Start to finish paved cart paths are a distinguishing feature of American golf courses. Yet American designers seem only to view them as things to cover up, like bad acne.

There have to be more imaginative ways to deal with them.


« Last Edit: December 17, 2005, 12:32:14 PM by BCrosby »

paul cowley

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Re:'Faux'...Strategy or just plain 'Folly'.
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2005, 01:15:11 PM »
Thanks Bob, and I too share your love of clay washouts [gullies to me], so much that they are becoming an integral feature of the Ricefields course I mentioned earlier....I joked yesterday that we might want to change the name to Gullyfield, as there are two main gully channels that drain the course and whenever we need to create a drainage feature it seems I am always sending our shapers back in the woods to study them  with the instructions not to come  come out till you can think like a gully....I am surprised they haven't taken me out yet.

...and we hope to do a better job with the cart path issue as well. We are not doing them wall to wall and they will be a soft sand /shell surface....I really want them to be radiating trails more than anything, just wear patterns that appear where one wants to go....kind of like what happens in public places if you don't try to control the traffic.

If you are ever down our way and have a moment, stop by.
This course is in Riceborough, 45 mins north of St Simons.
I would enjoy the pleasure of your company.
   
paul cowley...golf course architect/asgca

TEPaul

Re:'Faux'...Strategy or just plain 'Folly'.
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2005, 02:04:29 PM »
".....and they equally had to believable, not only as part part of the landscape, but from a historical perspective as well.....i.e. no gothic castles in Kansas."

Paul:

Are you sure about that? Are you sure "Gothic" in Kansas is not believable? I don't think Tom MacWood is gonna like that because that might mean A/C didn't get to Kansas and as we can all tell from his five part essay A/C basically affected every art form basically everywhere on earth or at least the great Empires of Great Britain and America. That was certainly A/C founder William Morris's dream and philosophy---according to Tom's essay A/C's goal was to UNITIE all art forms!

And According to Tom A/C wasn't even a "style" exactly it was an "Approach"!  ;) (not sure what-all that means exactly other than an attempt to massively expand or "STRETCH" a movement (A/C) to such an extent that you can appear to logically fit a new art form like golf course architecture into that movement and claim the movement was the primary influence on GCA enough to logically rename the "Golden Age" what should be more definitively "Arts and Crafts Golf".  ;)

Well, OK, Paul, maybe no Gothic castles in Kansas but would you settle for like a "Gothic" house or village in the plains of Kansas?

Don't forget, gothic is A/C and A/C is gothic. "Classic" (Roman and Greek) symmetrical architecture is "pagan" and "gothic" architecture is good (according to Morris), it's what architecture and obviously religous architecture (cathedrals, minsters et al) should be.

And aren't you forgetting about the Wizard of OZ, Paul? Dorothy and ToTo's house in Kansas looked pretty "Prairie" A/C to me, and look what happened after the the tornado hit it---PRESTO, a whole village of crooked little asymmetrical houses filled with little elves and munchins. Even a super asymmetrical winding yellow brick road. What could look more like the English Cotswolds and English ultra A/C than that?

Dorothy and ToTo lived in Kansas, Paul and a whole lot about the Wizard of Oz looked seriously A/C to me.

The Wizard of Oz was true, wasn't it Paul? I'l be crushed if you tell me it wasn't true! Please tell me it was true. Or better yet please tell Tom MacW it was true or it might mean A/C never rearched Kansas, and that wouldn't fit into the thesis that A/C influenced all art forms, including golf couse architecture!  ;)
« Last Edit: December 17, 2005, 02:24:40 PM by TEPaul »

TEPaul

Re:'Faux'...Strategy or just plain 'Folly'.
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2005, 02:23:18 PM »
One more thing, Paul. The traditional "Folly" that we see so many of in such things as the wonderful and massive "landscaped" estates of England were an architectural feature of note but the actual function of them was to produce whimsy and also a place for the lord of the Manor to get laid by anyone other than his wife.

One of the most important things about a "realistic" English landscape "folly" is it MUST be built in such a way and in such a position (in such a "situation", as the English like to say) that when in one you can see ANYONE COMING from a long, long, looooong way away.

Don't forget those English lords of that era didn't exactly wear NIKE running suits, you know? It took them at least 8 minutes to get undressed and at least 13 minutes to get dressed again. And the ladies?? Took them at least twice as long!

So, if you're gonna use a realistic "Folly" on a golf course that really functions in the play of the hole, as you say, keep that in mind!

paul cowley

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Re:'Faux'...Strategy or just plain 'Folly'.
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2005, 02:47:55 PM »
Help...that thread is a virus that is starting to infect the whole  DG!!!...hup hup men, to the firewalls!

I have not stopped laughing Tom ;D
 ....in retrospect, I should have said no REAL gothic castles in Kansas 'cause the white folks hadn't settled it then....but, Gothic REVIVAL castles styles are another thing that I'm sure existed in Kansas during the A/C period because, dummy that I am, the GOTHIC REVIVAL period PRECEEDED the A/C period.
« Last Edit: December 18, 2005, 08:18:53 AM by paul cowley »
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