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Mike_Sweeney

Henry Cotton - Penina in Portugal
« on: December 16, 2005, 06:08:00 AM »
We have some friends in Spain, and there is a chance that we may tie a tip into Le Meridien Penina Golf & Resort which "offers three golf courses designed by Sir Henry Cotton", and I believe that Cotton spent his later years there.

Any impressions on the golf, resort and area around Penina? Why is Cotton not talked about more as an architect?

Thanks

http://www.lemeridien.com/portugal/algarve/hotel_pt1332.shtml



Mark_Rowlinson

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Re:Henry Cotton - Penina in Portugal
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2005, 11:48:58 AM »
Mike, I've never been to Portugal and have no personal knowledge of the courses, but I have a number of books covering this and other courses in the area which I will scan and e-mail to you as I can no longer post photos on here.

As for Cotton, he is reputed to have revealed the golfing potential of the Algarve by building Penina.  How much he did on his own I cannot say, for I think others worked alongside him at such places as Felixstowe Ferry.

Johnny_Browne

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Re:Henry Cotton - Penina in Portugal
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2005, 12:16:28 PM »
Mike,
I have played Penina (main course) and it is quite good but not great.  It was completely renovated a few years ago with a lot of sand added to ground which I think has improved it.  Cotton also designed the Alto Club in the same area which is really quite a poor course built on too small a piece of land.  There are a lot of coursess in that area of Portugal - most I feel are probably moderately good but no better than that - they are all very busy but probably quiet in winter.  San Lorenzo is the best course there - it is very highly rated in Europe - I have played it once, finishing in the dark and it was a very slow round but it is an interesting course.  I think if you stay in Le Meridian there is an arrangement where you can play San Lorenzo.
Happy Christmas and a prosperous New Year to yourself from Ireland.
PS I knew someone would develop St Patricks
Johnny

Steve Okula

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Re:Henry Cotton - Penina in Portugal
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2005, 01:13:38 PM »
I was the GCS at Penina for a rather brief time in 1997-8.

The course was built on a former rice paddy, the terrain was completely flat, and only a meter or two above sea level. Cotton built it there because the land was cheap, not much good for anything but rice. Drainage was a challenge.

I haven't been back since '98, but then there was a "championship" 18 hole course, along with a 9 hole par 29 on the sea side of the coastal road, and another par 36 nine on the inland side.

The main course was remodeled in 1996. I didn't see it before the work. The new green complexes were fairly well done, but all of them were raised up to allow for some drainage, as were the tees, so it could be a bit monotonous always hitting either from a plateau or onto one. The fairways were dead flat, period. The only earthworks went into the greens and tees, and the occasional fairway bunker.

In the remodeling, they put a pretty narrow strip of sand about 15 cm deep down the fairways, and planted bentgrass. Outside the fairways was the old, dense, clay. The result was a crowned, hard, dry fairway kicking balls off into the muddy, poorly drained rough. The tee-fairway carries were also wet.
I mean wet now, in the winter. With the Mediterranean climate, you have cool, wet winters and hot dry, summers.

The routing is interesting, I suppose, but no way great. The holes do play in a good variety of directions. The nines aren't exactly balanced, par 35-37. Even that is somewhat contrived. The one par five on the front nine should really be a four, and the 16th hole is a par 3 but would be better as a short 4 from the back tees, so the course could easily be 34-38.

The opening hole is the longest, toughest, par 4 on the course, which I think is an interesting choice. One feature is that there are four par-fives on the back 9, holes 10,11, 17, and 18.

Cotton loved trees, and so planted thousands of eucalyptus and casuarina, which in my opinion are more like over-sized noxious weeds. They lined the fairways all the way around.
Water, lakes and streams, comes into play on 4 holes.

The other smaller courses at Penina are less interesting. You would be better off to go play San Lorenzo, Quinto do Lago, Vilamoura, or one of several other good course in the area. The are several new ones that have come on line since I was there, but I don't know anything about them.

Cotton only designed a very few courses, none of which have gained anything near the attention Penina did. He put it on the map by organizing pro tournaments there.

Winter is the busy season for golf in the Algarve.

Portugal is a nice country, populated by gentle, polite, people but with the worst drivers this side of Turkey. Be careful on the roads.

When I was there, it was fairly inexpensive. There are loads of good resaurants, mainly specializing in Mediterranean style seafood. And the wine isn't bad. I like the reds from Alentejo. "Vinho verde" is the locally produced wine that is sold to tourist everywhere, but never got a tase for it myself. Try the Sagres beer.

There are beautiful beaches, many are sort of clothing optional, and some of the women laying around there are amazing, from all over Europe, but the beaches will be quiet this time of year.

Sightseeing you can check out the towns of Faro and going out west Sagres. Past that is the Cabo de San Vincente, a spectacular rocky prominentory at the very southwest tip of the country, and of Europe. It's where people once thought the world ended.


The small wheel turns by the fire and rod,
the big wheel turns by the grace of God.

Sean_A

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Re:Henry Cotton - Penina in Portugal
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2005, 01:15:47 PM »
Mike

I have not been to Penina, but several mates have.  None were terribly impressed.  San Lorenzo seem to be the king of the Algarve with Vilamoura Old starting to make waves again.  

I am told the best selection of courses is nearish to Lisbon.  Troia, Praia D'el Rey and Oitavos lead the way.  There is also Penha Longa and Quinta do Peru.  Philip Gawith has said very encouraging things about Quinta da Peru and Praia.  I have just booked a holiday for Praia in late May.  I hope the golf is good!  

If you aren't wed to the idea of a large hotel check out
www.manorhouse.com  The site lists lovely private houses which have rooms (small hotels essentially) and Pousadas (similar to Paradors in Spain).  

Ciao

Sean
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Mark Bourgeois

Re:Henry Cotton - Penina in Portugal
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2005, 02:00:16 PM »
I just spent the weekend in the Algarve.  The locker room at Vale do Lobo has some interesting photos of Cotton...yes he appears to be the "father" of Algarve golf, along with (big surprise here) the founder of the resort.

FYI I stayed at Le Meridien Dona Phillipa and played four rounds at San Lorenzo.  (Hotel guests have exclusive access to the course, or so I read.)

That wasn't the original plan, but after playing it once I had to keep coming back.

I enjoyed it so much I had to keep looking at the scorecard to remind myself I was playing a course designed by...Joe Lee!

Lots of elevation changes, and the holes around the estuary are stunning -- pictures in no way do it justice.  Having spent a lot of time in marshes in swamps, I cannot remember seeing such diversity of bird life in one place, outside a zoo, in my life! (Must be due to overdevelopment in Euroland...)

What I really liked about the course was that it was full of what for lack of a better word I would call "contradictions."  For example, it makes you hit a lot of "wrong" shots.  On the 6th you absolutely want to play away from the water on the right...but you have to hit it out towards the water to have a clear shot into the green -- and there's a nasty set of mounds over there designed to send your ball in all kinds of wrong directions.  A number of other holes ask you to hit fades from hook lies.

Another example of contradiction is that, when I played it at least, the tee shots really ran out on the Bermuda fairways.  Given that the middle tee yardage ran about 6400 yards, can someone who's played the course tell me why it seemed like every second shot felt a mile from the green?

I would be very interested to know of other opinions of the course, and whether I am way off in my appreciation of the course's challenges and nature.

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