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Brian Phillips

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Re:A VERY GOOD BOOK @ A GREAT PRICE
« Reply #25 on: November 10, 2005, 10:21:13 PM »
What is the likelihood that his publisher will be there to buy his subsequent work?  Or is he going to make a significant financial commitment because Paul is just a good bloke?

 
Lou,

Paul is his own publisher....he finances it himself these days.

Good questions that I hope Paul will answer today.

I don't think I am Nationalistic just very loyal.

Dan,

Ringnes is the beer I buy!! ;D

Cheers,

Brian.
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Bunkers, if they be good bunkers, and bunkers of strong character, refuse to be disregarded, and insist on asserting themselves; they do not mind being avoided, but they decline to be ignored - John Low Concerning Golf

Dan Kelly

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Re:A VERY GOOD BOOK @ A GREAT PRICE
« Reply #26 on: November 11, 2005, 10:17:10 AM »
Paul is his own publisher....he finances it himself these days.

This gets curiouser and curiouser.

If he's his own publisher, and Amazon sales do him no good ... why does he deal with Amazon?

Yearning for a Ringnes...
"There's no money in doing less." -- Joe Hancock, 11/25/2010
"Rankings are silly and subjective..." -- Tom Doak, 3/12/2016

Paul_Daley

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Re:A VERY GOOD BOOK @ A GREAT PRICE
« Reply #27 on: November 12, 2005, 05:38:40 AM »
Ran's site is just an amazing outlet for enthralling discussions about golf-course architecture, but what an unexpected bonus to learn a few things about retailing, marketing models, plus gaining insight into consumer motivations. One is always on the lookout to learn and, in matters pertaining to business and making it pay, I must admit that I'm no Einstein. I'd have jumped in sooner to the thread but was unaware of the enveloping furnace.  

Lou D and Brian P have laid out compelling and well-thought out arguments. I do, however, feel a little like the Year 12 schoolgirl with the upcoming prom: flattered but worried over two guys fighting over her. I'm not used to this type of care; rest assured 'ol PD is blushing just a tad.

Yes, I am the publisher of my books. I take all the financial risks, and if deemed suitable, an overseas company will approach me to sell book rights in a particular territory. In
the past, Pelican Publishing (Gretna, Louisiana) has gained rights and then produced copies with its label on the spine and imprint. As is Pelican's right, it no doubt has contacted Amazon and sold large quantities of books at a massive discount. Those who buy via Amazon are well familiar with the trend of books being "slashed" several times until it is "throw out material". In the trade, we call it "remaindered" stock, and it has a smelly connotation. I'm all for market forces enabling things to find their own water-level. In my case, though, the problem with this scenario is that when GAV-1 and 2 are promoted at the normal price around the globe (and even at a helathy discount), I'm not infrequently accused of grossly inflating the price of the book. Now that pill is a bit hard to swallow, when you know that it is not inflated but horribly underpriced when compared to the "turf" books that appeal to the turfie nuts. Frequently, these are $150-300 apiece. And why? Because they operate in a niche market, just like mine. So how can Pelican afford to shuffle books to Amazon for quick sales? Easy, the recipient publishing house is spared all research costs, set-up fees, design fees, scanning fees, indexing fees, and crippling photographic fees. My colleagues at Pelican simply receive 10 DVDs (around 300MG of files), then organise a printer. In a bizarre way, Pelican is my competition, although I'm always eager to learn that my/our title is selling well. Tyler Kearns accurately pointed out the disincentive of the hefty freight charge associated with a sale through my Australian-based company. Hard to argue: it is wickedly dear. Sean Walsh perceptively mentioned the scenario of 'The Da Vinci Code'. Here, of course, you would want Amazon to be flogging the pants off the book, because the print-run is in the millions, not the measly 4,000 I produce. Anyhow I'm not the bleating type, and I never expect favours from anyone. It's best to adopt the philosophy of the great Robert Tyre Jones Jr when putting: "line it up; decide what you are going to do; then let the whole thing go hang itself if it wants to".
 

 

Dan Kelly

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Re:A VERY GOOD BOOK @ A GREAT PRICE
« Reply #28 on: November 12, 2005, 08:22:26 AM »
Yes, I am the publisher of my books. I take all the financial risks, and if deemed suitable, an overseas company will approach me to sell book rights in a particular territory. In
the past, Pelican Publishing (Gretna, Louisiana) has gained rights and then produced copies with its label on the spine and imprint.

Forgive me, Paul, if I'm being too dense for words, but ...

You sell them those rights -- right?

Why do you do that if it undermines your operation?

Or am I to take it, from your RT Jones Jr. quotation, that, next time, you will line things up differently?
"There's no money in doing less." -- Joe Hancock, 11/25/2010
"Rankings are silly and subjective..." -- Tom Doak, 3/12/2016

Brian Phillips

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Re:A VERY GOOD BOOK @ A GREAT PRICE
« Reply #29 on: November 12, 2005, 09:07:24 AM »
Dan,

Of course Paul has learnt to line it up right now...but like anyone who is small we sometimes have to bite the bullet and accept lower offers than is ideal.

You don't know how many times I have had that conversation with my wife.  I love my work but I still need to get paid. I have on numerous occasions had to cut my design costs just to get work to ensure I am putting food on the table.

Paul (I am pretty sure) struggled financially on the first few books, however, he now has a reputation and has set his stall out.  He still needs our support if we are going to keep a guy like him in business producing books that we love.

I still have not bought Vol. 3 from him as I always try to buy a bulk selection from him and give away the books as presents to clients etc and it also keeps the mailing costs down.  I cannot afford to buy at the moment but I would never, ever buy any of his books from anyone but him....he is one of us for goodness sake. He is a mate.

I always try to bring him down in price and he usually does and both parties are unhappy.... ;D Which is the sign of a good deal....unless you can get both parties happy....that is the sign of a perfect deal!!

Keep up the good work Paul...hope this brings in more orders for Christmas!!

Cheers,

Brian.
Bunkers, if they be good bunkers, and bunkers of strong character, refuse to be disregarded, and insist on asserting themselves; they do not mind being avoided, but they decline to be ignored - John Low Concerning Golf

Lou_Duran

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Re:A VERY GOOD BOOK @ A GREAT PRICE
« Reply #30 on: November 12, 2005, 12:09:56 PM »
Paul,

Sorry mate.  But the thought of taking you to the prom never crossed my mind.  You are much too tall and just not my type.  I also hear that you hit the ball way too far.

As stated a couple of times, I got an email notice from Amazon which included your book.  As a service to others on this site- I already have all three volumes- I just made people aware that the book was available for a great price.

Never did it occur to me that by doing this I'd be in any way damaging you.  Brian's replies were mind-boggling, though I have no problem with the concept of being loyal and supportive to/of those you care for.

If you ever hear that I am getting an itch to invest in the book business, please hit me over the head with a two by four.  It is difficult enough to make a living with products that sell.  I can't imagine how daunting it must be to be into something where incremental sales are harmful.

It does bring to mind a commercial where the proprietor of "Assam's Rug" (or somesuch nanme) had his one and only piece of inventory for sale at a multiple of the going price. After many years of operation and zero business, he was still perflecty happy just by going to the store each day.

Of course, you've heard of the publisher whose pricing strategy results in the loss of $10 on each book, but aims to make it up on volume.

Cheers and great success to you.  The three volume series, even with its limited distribution, is a great contribution to gca enthusiasts.  I certainly appreciate your efforts.

Brian Phillips

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Re:A VERY GOOD BOOK @ A GREAT PRICE
« Reply #31 on: November 12, 2005, 02:37:52 PM »
Lou,

You are a true gentleman.

Brian.
Bunkers, if they be good bunkers, and bunkers of strong character, refuse to be disregarded, and insist on asserting themselves; they do not mind being avoided, but they decline to be ignored - John Low Concerning Golf

Lou_Duran

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Re:A VERY GOOD BOOK @ A GREAT PRICE
« Reply #32 on: November 12, 2005, 05:33:05 PM »
Brian,

I can't tell if you're being facetious, but I do try.  Believe it or not, I have great empathy for the little guy who's trying his best to make it against long odds.  I don't know this for a fact, but I get the impression that Paul is well on his way.

Sean Walsh

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Re:A VERY GOOD BOOK @ A GREAT PRICE
« Reply #33 on: November 12, 2005, 06:05:59 PM »
Lou,

I don't believe any of us here doubt your motives, it is just that you stick to and believe in the capitalist/market system a little more wholeheartedly than some others who dwell here.

At least you make a good argument and are not spouting rhetoric, just strongly held beliefs that are coming from a different angle to my own.

Cheers
Sean    

Ian Andrew

Re:A VERY GOOD BOOK @ A GREAT PRICE
« Reply #34 on: November 12, 2005, 06:21:02 PM »
Thanks for the heads up, I just purchased a copy from Chapters up here.

For those who haven't got a copy of volume 3, go out of your way to get one, it is excellent.

Brian Phillips

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Re:A VERY GOOD BOOK @ A GREAT PRICE
« Reply #35 on: November 12, 2005, 06:58:15 PM »
Brian,

I can't tell if you're being facetious, but I do try.  Believe it or not, I have great empathy for the little guy who's trying his best to make it against long odds.  I don't know this for a fact, but I get the impression that Paul is well on his way.
Lou,

Those people that are friends with me know that is one thing that I am not.  I do not know how to be....I am just too nieve or honest.

Brian
Bunkers, if they be good bunkers, and bunkers of strong character, refuse to be disregarded, and insist on asserting themselves; they do not mind being avoided, but they decline to be ignored - John Low Concerning Golf

Paul_Daley

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Re:A VERY GOOD BOOK @ A GREAT PRICE
« Reply #36 on: November 14, 2005, 05:37:55 PM »
Dan K: thank you for your interest in this curious saga. Pelican Publishing were granted the North American rights for "Golf Archie" Vols. 1 & 2 (but not 3) and, financially, this was little above a pittance - pertaining to a niche market publication, as it did. A small publisher feels forced into granting rights; Tyler Kearns is not the only would-be buyer who baulks at the postage from Australia. I am unable to tell in advance who is prepared to cop the extra freight charges, nor do I know which customer would insist upon a signed, dated and personalised copy. So there is a need for both distribution systems, but my preference is always a direct sale from anywhere around the globe. Unlike Full Swing Golf Publishing, Pelican is selling 100s of titles at any one time, so it is not overly reliant on the uptake of one title. This has nothing personally against Pelican; it is a great outfit and has treated me well.

Brian, Lou, Sean, Ian, Tyler and others, thanks for your thoughts and suggestions.

Garland Bayley

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Re:A VERY GOOD BOOK @ A GREAT PRICE
« Reply #37 on: November 15, 2005, 06:27:03 PM »
I luckily was able to find vol. 1 and 2 on Amazon last year for  the $23 price. I was lucky, because I found out about this website from one of the essays in vol. 2. I do see both volumes in local Borders stores, so that is another way to pick up vol. 2 without postage from AU. However, I decided to support Paul and ordered  vol. 3 and "The Links"  book from his website last weekend.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Paul_Daley

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Re:A VERY GOOD BOOK @ A GREAT PRICE
« Reply #38 on: November 17, 2005, 07:05:04 AM »
Lou: No prom appearance? Man: I'm crushed!  ;) Your motives seem pretty pure to me. Get yourself Down Under and we'll golf.

Garland: your package will be rattling in the mail box soon. Let me know when it arrives.

Ian: Obliged for your kind words about GAV-3, and I still
find myself jumping in to read your insightful essay on the bunkering restoration at St Georges. Super pics, too! The background preamble sure puts into perspective the task confronted by your team. Has Matty Drummond gone back to shaping?