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Mark_Rowlinson

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Downland
« on: November 08, 2005, 06:12:46 PM »
Hey, I'm not sure what this is, where it stops and finishes, but we have a load of downland courses in the UK.  Are they unique to the UK?  They aren't links, they aren't heathland, but they are definitely not parkland.  Are we missing a uniquely British genre?

Tom_Doak

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Re:Downland
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2005, 06:39:20 PM »
Mark:

I've never seen downland anywhere else but the UK.  I'm not sure of the definition, but I believe it is based on chalky soils which inhibit the growth of trees, leaving an open grassland and fern environment.

Crystal Downs got its name from Dr. MacKenzie who said the open high ground near the lake reminded him of downland in England, but it is certainly not the right kind of soil, and the grass doesn't feel the same at all.  Plus there are now big trees growing on the perimeter of the course and some inside it as well.

I have some old pictures of Sheringham which showed "waste bunkers" at the edge of the cliffs which were unbelievably cool, but when I did my tour of the UK I was disappointed to find that most of that raw edge fell down onto the beach years ago.

David_Tepper

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Re:Downland
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2005, 07:00:31 PM »
Mark -

Courses on cliffs overlooking a large body of water in California would include Pebble Beach, Torrey Pines & Sandpiper. They are certainly not courses built on linksland and are not parkland either (at least in my mind).

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Paul_Turner

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Re:Downland
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2005, 07:01:54 PM »
Yes I agree it's chalk that defines the downs.  Billions of years of compressed shells.  (White Cliffs of Dover...)  The grass tends to be light coloured and tight.  Scrubby hawthorn is the typical foliage.

Leckford was a nice one, that I saw this year:

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forums2/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=16516;start=msg286963#msg286963

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Keith Durrant

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Re:Downland
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2005, 01:27:33 AM »
I'm sure there is a translation for chalk downlands en Francais? :)



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Marc Haring

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Re:Downland
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2005, 06:11:51 AM »
Coming from Wiltshire, we have many examples. High Post, Malborough (the old bit), Bath, Kingsdown, Lansdown, North Wilts, South Wilts, West Wilts, Tidworth, Ogbourne. I would also suggest Painswick falls in that category.

As has been suggested, chalk or limestone is the key. This will result in a high pH and therefore like acid soils will tend to lock up nutrients and therefore inhibit growth. It is therefore ideal for golf in that a) it means not so much mowing (critical in those days), b) it is perfect for fine grass growth particularly fescue which love high ph conditions and c) the land was cheap because with all that stone about, it was near impossible for farming.

I would also add that a prerequisite for golf to be downland in variety is paradoxically that it is played on high ground, where the added wind exposure accentuates the all above and limits tree growth.

One of the great benefits of a Chalk soil is that it is very free draining but retains much water even in the driest of summers so good winter and summer conditions are usually found.