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Mark_Rowlinson

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Truths, untruths and deliberate misinformation
« on: September 18, 2005, 07:24:45 AM »
You may have noticed the conflicting information about Princeton in the current thread.  There were a number of untruths spread about who did what at Shinnecock which were only corrected in World Atlas of Golf very recently.  Golf courses are often attributed to architects who never worked on them.  And so on....

Why are there so many of these conundrums?  


Tom_Doak

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Re:Truths, untruths and deliberate misinformation
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2005, 09:06:18 AM »
Mark:  It's pretty boring for someone researching history to assign the credit to the person who has always gotten credit.  There is almost always more than one person intimately involved with the design, and once the historian finds out who else was involved, there is strong temptation to promote the second chair.

At the same time, there is a lot of effort by clubs to promote the most famous name possible associated with the course, whether he was the primary architect [even if he was only there once!] or a lowly crew person.  And there are certain people who have a passion for certain dead architects, and do all in their power to preserve that architect's reputation.

It seems impossible to be consistent with these various factors at work.  Perhaps every course should have three names listed; but in that case the third person would have a lot more to do with some courses than with others.




TEPaul

Re:Truths, untruths and deliberate misinformation
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2005, 09:25:12 AM »
"Why are there so many of these conundrums?"

Mark:

I believe, or we believe (Wayne and I) that to understand why there are so many conundrums, or were, one just needs to understand better the evolution of the last 100 or so years of golf and architecture, particularly in America.

In a word, until relatively recently (perhaps only the last 15-20 years) no one, or not enough people really cared that much about who did what architecturally and certainly not the details of it the way most of us on this website do.

It may not have been until around the time of Cornish and Whitten's virtual bible of architectural attribution world-wide that that began to change somewhat. And then histories of many of these old clubs began to be written generally inspired by anniversaries of the founding or creations and openings of these golf clubs and courses. (For whatever reasons clubs really do seem to like "anniversary history" books. I guess they make clubs feel more established and more respected. ;) ).

Those history books continued to increase as anniversaries arrived but oddly they usually explained the histories of the membership itself, their tournament records and notable occurences and the like. Very little seemed to be included about the history and evolution of the actual golf course and its architecture and contributing architects and the specific details of who did what, when, why and how.

The raw material to be able to write with some accuracy the architectural evolutions and histories of many of these courses were actually around to some extent somewhere languishing in the oddest places like in basements in boxes behind boilers (The Creek) or in barns in Bucks Co. :) (How do you like that alliteration?! ;) ).

But too often the raw material of those histories was lost---thrown out at some point, lost in fires or floods or whatever.

Why did the interest in it begin to regenerate? That's probably just a natural occurence of evolution and history itself that interest in things (often things old or as they get older) to cycle back again. Some of this interest, even world-wide, is obviously regenerated by a web-site like this which is so technically visible world-wide (if someone is actually looking for something hard to find).

The conundrums, in my opinion, is not much more than the lack of interest and inability because of lack of interest to look more closely at some of these issues and subjects. Face it, even C&W in its massive undertaking of listing architectural attribution and architectural bios world-wide and a general history and evolution of architecture in many to most cases had to depend for most all their information on the information provided by clubs themselves much of which was spotty, incomplete or just wrong in so many cases.

The good news is there probably is a ton of raw material info out there. What needs to be done with it is to simply have it compiled more centrally and made available for analysis or reanalysis in the future.

Just look at the new understanding of the creation of PVGC, long now considered to be the No 1 course in the world. For decades most of the raw material of information on its creation was there, probably tucked away in boxes unseen, but some of it was hanging right there on the walls for decades for all to see. Why didn't they make more sense of it before this? Probably because they just didn't care enough to take the time to understand how it needed to be analyzed and could be.

It all might be changing that way because of increasing interest. At least it seems some are interested in the compiling and the writing of more complete and accurate architectural records and histories and attributions etc.

How many will be interested in them in the future or what they will mean to the future of some of these courses probably remains to be seen but at least it seems a lot more will be there if some want to read them, and understand them and use them in the future for their courses.


TEPaul

Re:Truths, untruths and deliberate misinformation
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2005, 09:35:11 AM »
Mark:

As to why there seem to be so many conundrums these days just look at this great example; Kittansett!

It seems the real reason the club gave Hood so much credit for so long is they simply did not know to make a simple distinction or did not understand it. That was who it was that designed their golf course and who it was that may've been responsible for getting that design constructed and built.

It seems they were aware (even if vaguely) that Flynn (or Wilson and Flynn) may've designed their course (even though they did not actually have his drawings) but the fact that it appeared Hood and local contractors may've done the vast majority of the construction of that design made them assume the course should be "a Hood" design or course.

Now they understand the distinction and the differences between the design phase and the construction phase and thier understanding of their course is much clearer and a decades old conundrum has been solved.

TEPaul

Re:Truths, untruths and deliberate misinformation
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2005, 09:39:26 AM »
As for deliberate misinformation, perhaps the best examples of that involve a single golf club, Shinnecock, and twice. The deiberate misinformation that seems to have been uncovered recently involved the first course supplied by Willie Dunn to his credit and the second deliberate misinformation involves Dick Wilson supplied by him to the club in the 1950s to his credit.

T_MacWood

Re:Truths, untruths and deliberate misinformation
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2005, 01:45:13 PM »
Golf architecture is a relatively young discipline...only about 100 years old. The study of golf architecture history has not been going on for very long, maybe twenty or twenty five years, and the intensity of the study has only picked up in the last few years. IMO we have only scratched the surface.

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